What would Happen if I do this.

**Emperor Tom** · December 17, 2007, 02:51 PM

In medieval (original) I already know the consequences. What would Happen if I attacked and defeated the Papacy and conquered them completely?:hmmm:

**Ged** · December 17, 2007, 02:56 PM

You can't. They constantly relocate whenever you kill their Capital. If you do, prepare for constant war.

**Emperor Tom** · December 17, 2007, 03:34 PM

Wh-what now? Thats cheap. How come. I can't just up and kill the pope? Won't they just attack me if I don't attack them first?

**Ältester der Motten** · December 17, 2007, 03:40 PM

Um, no, they won't. Only if you get excommunicated.

You can basically eradicate the papal states, but not the clerical part of it.
Pope will remain as long as just ONE priest can be entitled pope. If not, they say it crashes yet I never tried myself.

**Sher Khan** · December 17, 2007, 03:40 PM

No, usually the papacy is very docile when bordering the human player. He doesn't bother you unless you bother him (or are an excommunicate or Orthodox or Muslim).

Attack him, he'll go nuts. Take his capital, and he'll either be gifted one by another Catholic nation, or spawn armies to take back Rome. Kill him, and as long as there are other Catholic nations, there will be a College of Cardinals, and so a new pope will constantly be elected.

To kill the pope completely, you must destroy all of Catholic Europe.

**Emperor Tom** · December 17, 2007, 03:44 PM

Oh, well thats not gonna happen. But thank you for that. Now can you play as the Papacy?:hmmm:

**finsternis** · December 17, 2007, 04:16 PM

No. I heard that there are mods that allow you, but they crash after a while, I heard.

Edit:

You can? Nice.

**antaeus** · December 17, 2007, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by finsternis

No. I heard that there are mods that allow you, but they crash after a while, I heard.

nah it plays fine, doesnt crash as far as i have played (2 full campaigns).

it doesnt take much to allow it, you just move one line of text in a file (same way you'd make other non playable factions playable)

(move the papacy to 'playable')

"the how to" is in the wiki link at the top of this page. its not difficult

**Emperor Tom** · December 17, 2007, 04:47 PM

I'll check it out. If I have any problems I'll come back here and ask. Cool. Thanks everyone.

**antaeus** · December 17, 2007, 04:15 PM

yes.

but you cant call crusades.

its great fun though

**Sher Khan** · December 17, 2007, 06:02 PM

Papal States are a fun faction to play. They lose the ability to recruit Papal Guards from Large Cities and beyond, though. At least the Swiss Pikemen are indomitable units.

Diplomacy is also easy, as any Catholic nation you attack is automatically excommunicated, and your 'offer reconciliation' option in diplomacy windows is very enticing to excommunicates suing for peace.

**Old Geezer** · December 18, 2007, 07:21 AM

As Byzantium ina retrofit game, I captured all of the Pope's cities after he sneak attacked me, his ally, and he died in the assault on Genoa. He reappeared with a small army near French city and for several turns unitl I won the game just sat there and never got a new capital. The French did attack me, but were bound to do so anyway. My Hungarian ally remained firm.

Plalying as the Pope must be fun. His Papal guard spearmen have an 11 morale and must all be distance runners, because they chased my horse archers until they became tired and fought to the last man even when they had no family general in command.