Calling all History Buffs - Historical Titles Project

[Quark]

Ok as some of you may know I am on a mission to make traits and the development of such more straightforward. To do this, and achieve balance in the way generals work, you have to look at Ancilliaries, EDB and camapign script to form a unified whole.

Since I was doing this anyway;

• I have done a major reformat of the ancillaries files
• I have gone through every single settlement in SS and tried to establish actual historical information and attributes for catholic settlements given that we are dealing with a very broad historical brush.

Thats stage 1 which breaks the back of the job.

• Stage 2. Edit all Islamic attributes so they are different where required eg An islamic leader gets more for taking mecca, than a christian.
• Stage 3. Add in titles for Orthodox factions and copy the triggers for such. I hate playing the Byzantium faction with dukes.
• Stage 4. Add in a loose historical zone of control ie

If the Moors take Edinburgh - unhappy scots
If the Moors take Zaragosa - well IMO thats fine
the same applies to all cultures.

• Stage 5. See if KK has released 6.0 and add in pagan triggers.

So why the post, well I love research but cannot claim to be an expert on all the medieval world, islamic culture and the peerage system, so could do with some organised help, as its a lot of hard work.

I have attached the current files for your consideration. Obviously some people may not like stage 4, but thats no problem as we can test 1-3 first and then try 4.

Edit: Done stage 3, see attached. It loads up fine, just backup and place export_descr_ancillaries.txt and export_descr_ancillary_enums.txt in the \data folder and export_ancillaries.txt + bin file in \data\text

Edit 2: An updated file to fix some bugs

[Inhuman One]

I have a related question, can a general's title be incorporated in their name?

Lets say a general named Bob is send to govern Timbuktu and gains the title lord of timbuktu under his retinue, would it be possible to let this change his name to Bob of Timbuktu?

Further titles should be ignored though, they can only be lord of one city.

[Kyias]

I have a related question, can a general's title be incorporated in their name?

Lets say a general named Bob is send to govern Timbuktu and gains the title lord of timbuktu under his retinue, would it be possible to let this change his name to Bob of Timbuktu?

Further titles should be ignored though, they can only be lord of one city.

I disagree. It is pretty common for nobles to be Dukes, earls and Barons of several regions (which is what the retinue in SS represent.)

[whhyy]

When the Islamic factions are being done it should be kept in mind that Allah is just another name for God, like the Christian God - they're the same thing.

I don't want to see things like "God/Allah willing, this man has blah blah blah".

I want to see "God willing, this man has blah blah blah".

[Captain Irish]

I'd be willing to lend a hand - what exactly would you need me to do?

[Quark]

All
You only have a limited number of attributes you can add/subtract from when dealing with traits/titles.

So an example might be

Ancillary king_medina

Type dearmad_her
Transferable 1
Image king_medina.tga
Description king_medina_desc
EffectsDescription king_medina_effects_desc
Effect TaxCollection 5

Ancillary iking_medina

Type dearmad_her
Transferable 1
Image king_medina.tga
Description iking_medina_desc
EffectsDescription iking_medina_effects_desc
Effect TaxCollection 5
Effect Law 1
Effect Piety 2
Effect TroopMorale 1

So thats how an islamic faction would gain more from an important islamic center than a christian and vice versa. On top of that is Stage 4 where you add a LocalPopularity effect. Some areas such as Scopia I have made difficult to control anyway, since this represents the fact that they would like to remain independent and perhaps form their own state (Serbia).

As to descriptions I have avoided the word God in any context, things like 'important religious center' have been my choice, as these are descriptions of locations and anything important/relevant about such.

What I do not know is if I have missed anythg vital about a spot as history sources tend to be far more in depth about your local area (and hence in the local language), and whether I should be breaking up all these Dukes and Emirs into Count, Viscount etc. So thats where I need the help really. For the Orthodox titles I will be using Catapans, Strategoi, and maybe Exarch, but have to decide on which settlement gets which.

Anyway of to a childrens party, and then finish stage 2

[Echad]

All
You only have a limited number of attributes you can add/subtract from when dealing with traits/titles.

So an example might be

Ancillary king_medina

Type dearmad_her
Transferable 1
Image king_medina.tga
Description king_medina_desc
EffectsDescription king_medina_effects_desc
Effect TaxCollection 5

Ancillary iking_medina

Type dearmad_her
Transferable 1
Image king_medina.tga
Description iking_medina_desc
EffectsDescription iking_medina_effects_desc
Effect TaxCollection 5
Effect Law 1
Effect Piety 2
Effect TroopMorale 1

So thats how an islamic faction would gain more from an important islamic center than a christian and vice versa. On top of that is Stage 4 where you add a LocalPopularity effect. Some areas such as Scopia I have made difficult to control anyway, since this represents the fact that they would like to remain independent and perhaps form their own state (Serbia).

As to descriptions I have avoided the word God in any context, things like 'important religious center' have been my choice, as these are descriptions of locations and anything important/relevant about such.

What I do not know is if I have missed anythg vital about a spot as history sources tend to be far more in depth about your local area (and hence in the local language), and whether I should be breaking up all these Dukes and Emirs into Count, Viscount etc. So thats where I need the help really. For the Orthodox titles I will be using Catapans, Strategoi, and maybe Exarch, but have to decide on which settlement gets which.

Anyway of to a childrens party, and then finish stage 2

For anything Kievan Rus' related - the title for most provences should be Knyaz' (Князь) with the apostrophe at the end and Grand Duke is actually Velikiy Knyaz' (Великий Князь), you may look for Wiki on it... Grand really translates on Russian as Великий, but there is no appropriate translation for Князь, which is usually translates in English as either Duke or Prince. Khan can be possibly used for Rus', as before Kievan Rus' there Was Rus' Khaganate...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(title)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khagan

Is it just me, or some other guys also see the word titties in place of titles? =\

[Inhuman One]

So bob would be called Bob of Timbuktu, Tunis, Granada, Valencia and Castille then?

They would have the titles, the first would probably be the one they are best known for. I think this would make the generals a bit more connected to the province they where assigned to govern.

[Landwalker]

This run-down of Byzantine court titles may help with deciding which provinces should have which "label".

Cheers.

[King Kong]

Hi Quark,

I wish I could help you with this, since this is a very interesting project and would make titles much more interesting.
I also wanted to make the titles more special but seeing that this is huge task I have delayed this...

Would be great if this would be completed and if some more people would join your project!

[Landwalker]

It's just you and your centaur porn.

The Rus' Khaganate was over, or essentially so, by the time of the Early Campaign in Medieval II. The last known reference to the title of Kagan ("Khan" not being a Rus' title, but a Mongolian one) comes about five years before the start of the campaign. Thus, it would probably be better to stick with Velikiy Knyaz'.

Cheers.

[Echad]

It's just you and your centaur porn.

The Rus' Khaganate was over, or essentially so, by the time of the Early Campaign in Medieval II. The last known reference to the title of Kagan ("Khan" not being a Rus' title, but a Mongolian one) comes about five years before the start of the campaign. Thus, it would probably be better to stick with Velikiy Knyaz'.

Cheers.

Landwalker, are you Zoophile-Fantasyphile? You dig centaurs? You need to see a doctor...

About the Khagan I said "possibly", as I done no reasearch on a matter, I just remember it being Khaganate and all... Seriously, you should see a doctor, the centaurs do not exist.

[Quark]

Ok, I have done Stage 3 (see first post), any suggestions welcome. It took awhile as I had to track down one of those annoying CTD's which the systemlog fails to say why and invariable means you are looking for a space. Anyway it now loads up fine.

Off to do stage 4 for myself, don't know if anyone else is interested.

[Echad]

I'll check it...

Edit: already found something: some titles are reffered to as Knyaz, and some as Kniaz... It won't make difference, since the letters Y and I do not differ in Russian...

[Evan]

There are some places where my governor has gotten two of the same titles in a city, i.e. both Count of Tortosa and Strategos of Tortosa. I've also had both a spy and a priest get Prince of Antioch (separately, not at the same time).

[Quark]

Evan
Could you please tell me what faction you are playing and confirm it is the early campaign you are playing, so I can track down the bug. Thanks for checking it out .

[Evan]

I'm playing the Templar early campaign.

[Quark]

Evan
I have uploaded a export_descr_ancillaries.txt file for you to go into the data folder. It will fix any new ancilliaries aquired in a current game, but those already there, will remain.

[Evan]

I downloaded it, but I won't be able to try it until at least Monday, when I get my replacement memory in.