The anti-mongols

[Renco]

What do people think is the best defence against a mongol open field battle, from any era. Playing a bit today, I found out how effective camel gunners are. Longer range then arrows, mildy similar stats and scare horses traits. It seems they were built for it. Mixed with D Christian Guards and a decent general, i'm finally overcoming my paranoia about Mongols. Any other experiences?

[Lost Crusader]

I found that the combination of missiles, spearmen and heavy cavalry works best. Plus a good general to keep the morale.
I'm still struggling with the elephants...

[mightyfenrir]

I found that the combination of missiles, spearmen and heavy cavalry works best. Plus a good general to keep the morale.
I'm still struggling with the elephants...

If you land a cannon shot near enough elephants they go nuts, just make sure you do it when they're still a ways off. Then they'll decimate their own lines and if they manage to come near yours ... well then make sure you have something to gun them down.

[Lost Crusader]

If you land a cannon shot near enough elephants they go nuts, just make sure you do it when they're still a ways off. Then they'll decimate their own lines and if they manage to come near yours ... well then make sure you have something to gun them down.

so, never to go fighting the timurids without a cannon. I'll try that.
I use to shoot the elephants with flaming missiles, with mixed results.

[mightyfenrir]

so, never to go fighting the timurids without a cannon. I'll try that.
I use to shoot the elephants with flaming missiles, with mixed results.

it does work, the arrows, but something about artillery panics them faster. It works if you hire them as mercenaries too. Send them up to the enemy lines out of the reach of spear units, keep firing your artillery and eventually you'll be bound to scare your own elephants. Then they just romp through your enemy for a while.

[Insurgent]

What do people think is the best defence against a mongol open field battle, from any era. Playing a bit today, I found out how effective camel gunners are. Longer range then arrows, mildy similar stats and scare horses traits. It seems they were built for it. Mixed with D Christian Guards and a decent general, i'm finally overcoming my paranoia about Mongols. Any other experiences?

Use merc Rocketlaunchers to kill off the Generals from a range and try and keep lots of good gunpowder units near to strike them with fear. You may want to look at the 'Strategies against the Mongol and Timurid Invasions' thread for more info.

[Ruprecht]

Use merc Rocketlaunchers to kill off the Generals from a range and try and keep lots of good gunpowder units near to strike them with fear. You may want to look at the 'Strategies against the Mongol and Timurid Invasions' thread for more info.

Man i seen those rocket launcher's in action, They are rediculously lethal. But where do you get them ? Is it possible to recruit them while walking your general though a region that has this technology or what ?

[Pontifex Maximus]

i had three catapult units. they worked well (at least 100 kills per unit) AND IT CAUSED A FEW ROUTS!!! I was suprised, the mongol horse archers were trip silver vets.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Rockets Muskets and spearmen to protect the projectiles, also maybe a unit or two of light cavalry, to run down routers.

[Sher Khan]

Armoured Spearmen, quality foot archers, and a good general is all you need.

Find a position to defend against flank attacks and face off frontally against any number of Mongols.

Their horse archers are well skilled, but you can't out-experience an arrow volley, especially with their poor armor and no shields.

Sooner or later, their heavy cavalry will charge your spears, and they will be crushed. It's as simple as that.

[Sith_Lord]

who fights mongols? I was scotland, went on crusade, got jerusalem, expanded, and they just appeared, i sent a diplomat to them, took Cean or Rennes or which ever city is on the est coast beside the English mainland starting settlement, and gifted that to them, they chewed through france, solving my war quite easily.

[TheOnion]

who fights Mongols? I was Scotland, went on crusade, got Jerusalem, expanded, and they just appeared, i sent a diplomat to them, took Cean or Rennes or which ever city is on the est coast beside the English mainland starting settlement, and gifted that to them, they chewed through france, solving my war quite easily.

Jesus, that is *****ing brilliant.

[SSJPabs]

How did you do that Sith_lord?

I tried it, but the settlement I'd chosen (Caen) never showed up when I tried to gift them a settlement so I couldn't give it to them! I was the Turks too so I had snuck and fought my way across the ENTIRE map just to do that. Really left a sour taste in my mouth.

[Stuntdawg5]

How did you do that Sith_lord?

I tried it, but the settlement I'd chosen (Caen) never showed up when I tried to gift them a settlement so I couldn't give it to them! I was the Turks too so I had snuck and fought my way across the ENTIRE map just to do that. Really left a sour taste in my mouth.

Same. I was Egyptian I think, and I conquered a city in Europe. I tried to gift it to them, but I wasn't allowed to. Do I have to wait for a certain period of time before I can hand a city to them? If not, what do I have to do?

[Sith_Lord]

Same. I was Egyptian I think, and I conquered a city in Europe. I tried to gift it to them, but I wasn't allowed to. Do I have to wait for a certain period of time before I can hand a city to them? If not, what do I have to do?

well, i did it again as England. They had Antioch, and the farthest eastern settlement... Baghdad?. I gifted them toulouse, i think it was, another French settlement I had taken.... don't really like the French faction, lol. How is it not working for you? got an alliance with them for it.

[Sith_Lord]

How did you do that Sith_lord?

I tried it, but the settlement I'd chosen (Caen) never showed up when I tried to gift them a settlement so I couldn't give it to them! I was the Turks too so I had snuck and fought my way across the ENTIRE map just to do that. Really left a sour taste in my mouth.

They have to have settled to a new homeland first. Or else they are still 'nomads'.

[nosjo78]

who fights mongols? I was scotland, went on crusade, got jerusalem, expanded, and they just appeared, i sent a diplomat to them, took Cean or Rennes or which ever city is on the est coast beside the English mainland starting settlement, and gifted that to them, they chewed through france, solving my war quite easily.

I love this idea. I am definatly going to have to try this. Rep to u for the fun idea.

[Kalos]

Moved to Battle Planning.

[boerekovic]

Fightin the Hordes (especially the Elephants) with Musketeers is just awesome.

[Internazionale]

What about if you don't have lots of gunpowder arty? Is trebs good?

I though about hurling some cows and bombard them with flaming rocks.