Late Period Campaign - A Drag?

[eastsidehighrise]

Who else thinks that there comes a point in a long campaign game when the entire game just slows down to a grinding drag? In my game i realized this was the situation by around turn 160 (world is round event) -EVERYONE but me is at war with each other in Europe (HRE, Denmark, Poland, Milan, Venice, Papal States, Russia, Byzantine Empire, Hungary), while the Timurids and Mongols are at each others throats in the Near East while leaving a conspicious 'ground zero' wherever their hordes go; meanwhile, as the English, I have relative peace over the regions in France, Spain, and Africa west of the Nile, and the British Isles of course.

I've fled to the New World (only to find that gold there is worth to a merchant only as much as gold is in timbuktu!!) for some much needed respite, but perhaps, the lesson here is, to win the game sooner rather than later! or else you are in for an expensive and click-fest war of attrition with the other powers...

also experienced a very frustrating event, one of my 'legions' which must have taken an eternity to march all the way to timbuktu and finally get around to sieging the place, revolted after one turn of sieging! they too must have been getting bored of the european situation...

[Giorgos]

I never got this far in the game. I was bored quickly, opting instead to go with another faction from the beginning.
I have, on the other hand, finished Rome Total War with all the factions i played. I guess that i just find the era more interesting and thus my interest in the one game is higher than in the other.

[loquar]

I realy do enjoy the endgame and always play over 100 turns, normaly over 200 but I can see your point.

Often I will start another game for "light relief" and run the 2 side by side spending an hour or 2 on one then swapping.

[Skouser]

gold is just as expensive in america because the gold in timbukto is closer and its about the distance of the closest res source. A good trick tho is to build a fort on top of a res source so you can put 20 merchants all on one spot and all earn x amount of gold a turn + they can't be overpowered by other merchants .

[eastsidehighrise]

gold is just as expensive in america because the gold in timbukto is closer and its about the distance of the closest res source. A good trick tho is to build a fort on top of a res source so you can put 20 merchants all on one spot and all earn x amount of gold a turn + they can't be overpowered by other merchants .

wow what an awesome trick! ill definitely try that out sometime. and i wouldnt call it cheating, why shouldnt i be able to use force to keep pesky enemy merchants out of my way!

[craziii]

forts doesn't work anymore. use a single unit to stand on top of the resource, then send your merchants into him. the unit will act as guard from all hostile merchants + you can station 20 merchants into him like the old fort. that is cheating imo, only 1 merchant should be allow, I love the guard option. it is like the medieval version of tariffs and economic sanctions.

[Giorgos]

forts doesn't work anymore. use a single unit to stand on top of the resource, then send your merchants into him. the unit will act as guard from all hostile merchants + you can station 20 merchants into him like the old fort. that is cheating imo, only 1 merchant should be allow, I love the guard option. it is like the medieval version of tariffs and economic sanctions.

heh, i din't know that. +rep

[Vesuvius5150]

Yeah, i'm playing on 0.50 turns with the Turks, and its turned into a grind. I'm about 300 turns in and have another 600 tursn to go, but i'm bent on world conquest. There are only 4 other nations left (Russia, England, Milan, Spain) excluding the Pope, which is holed up on Sardinia, and a single stack of Mongols which is cornered by 4 full stacks of Sipahis, but they're all superpowers so every turn is fighting off several stacks of heavy infantry. I spend a lot of time carrying out assasinations and recruiting imams so my towns in Europe won't revolt. I have the entire middle east, Africa to Tunis, all of the Balkans, all of Italy, to Switzerland. I think i can make it in 600 more turns.

[bottenbreker]

personally i think it becomes a drag cause i'm constantly in money problems because of the upkeep of my armies wich i need to keep the milanese, venetians, french and polish from destroying my Holy Roman Empire. also, i think the game kinda slows down because there is soo much going on that your actually spending 90% in diplomacy menu's. your not able to attack anybody cause the pope would rather see you 6 feet under. i usually resolve the moneyproblem by pillaging the middle east but after i've done that, the moneyproblem returns.

[imb39changedmyusername]

^What faction are you?

[Old Geezer]

What happens to the merchants stacked with the military unit if that unit rebels or gets eliminated? I have been doing this with merchants but haven't had the guard unit eliminated or rebel.

By turn 200 I am thoroughly and sincerely past ready to start a new campaign. After fighting the Timmurids I quit.

[Salah al-Din]

Yes, the game tends to get rather boring after some time, that is why many people turn to various mods which offer more realistic and dynamic gameplay. Personally I have stopped playing Vanilla a few months ago and if there weren't for constant mod releases, the cd case would probably be in some corner picking dust.

[boerekovic]

I understand your thinking about the Late total war,but thats what makes the game a bit funnier then before.
I finished (conquered the whole map) with the Turks on H/H and it was Fun to the Last battle,but now i dont know what to do.

[Exarch]

i agree, i'm on some ridiculous turn like yr 1450 or so and i'm getting bored fast, i mean i do kinda like the medieval realism of having to wheel and deal ur way thru the pope's good graces, but the stupid idiot always sends me a 'cease hostilities' message with the threat of excommunication.
so i'm sicily. i control spain, france england, half the new world, africa, and all the islands, and i'm abpout to devour the weak HRE next. the danes have gotten quite powerful as have the hungarians surprisingly. the timurids are giving the crusaders a helluva fight cuz stack after stack gets sent in but they cancel wach other out.
i'm bored with the political situation, the constant maintenance of my armies, i jsut want to kill and be done witrh it.
i mean i liked in rome how u and ur armies kinda represented ur will, in medieval having a feudal army, u jsut dont get that feel of camaraderie with ur legions that i got from rome.
in rome u ahd the power, the authority and the love of the ppl
in medieval u jsut get the dull acceptance from the commoners, the allegiance of ur knights, and an idiot pope who's worse than a nagging woman

[finsternis]

i agree, i'm on some ridiculous turn like yr 1450 or so and i'm getting bored fast, i mean i do kinda like the medieval realism of having to wheel and deal ur way thru the pope's good graces, but the stupid idiot always sends me a 'cease hostilities' message with the threat of excommunication.
so i'm sicily. i control spain, france england, half the new world, africa, and all the islands, and i'm abpout to devour the weak HRE next. the danes have gotten quite powerful as have the hungarians surprisingly. the timurids are giving the crusaders a helluva fight cuz stack after stack gets sent in but they cancel wach other out.
i'm bored with the political situation, the constant maintenance of my armies, i jsut want to kill and be done witrh it.
i mean i liked in rome how u and ur armies kinda represented ur will, in medieval having a feudal army, u jsut dont get that feel of camaraderie with ur legions that i got from rome.
in rome u ahd the power, the authority and the love of the ppl
in medieval u jsut get the dull acceptance from the commoners, the allegiance of ur knights, and an idiot pope who's worse than a nagging woman

That's why I like playing with the Orthodox. You don't have to listen to the pope, but you can still be his best friend and get the catholic fraction to not attack you.

[zeuxis the mighty]

I personally don't like the renaisance era or between 1453-1699 Its just not interesting. I like to play as the byzantines because I don't have to deal with any of it.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Personally i play once where I see the campaign through to the end. . . then i play once where I have a cheating uber awesome campaign rofl rofl nobbicopter haxor pwns you (*composes himself*) then i look for mods, but to answer your question I find the late period to be particularly awful especially in the Vanilla campaign.

[finsternis]

also experienced a very frustrating event, one of my 'legions' which must have taken an eternity to march all the way to timbuktu and finally get around to sieging the place, revolted after one turn of sieging! they too must have been getting bored of the european situation...

Did you send a captain with your "legions?" because if you did, of course they were going to revolt. For really long journeys, you need to send a general or family member (and make sure they have a high or normal loyalty).

[mightyfenrir]

I happen to like the late game, but I think that's just because I like finding new ways to play with gun units. Who knows?

[Azog 150]

I have had the game since it came out (About a Year?) and I have never got past the Mongal Invasion. Its really annoying actually, I dont know why I get so boered, maybe I just like a change of scenery.