Are Christians just lost atheists?

[mongoose]

Folks, there are people out there who have my deepest sympathies. They are great people, but they are lost! These people are not evil, they are only confused. Confused, turning away from the true path of true logical reality! My fellow brothers, turn away from the light, and see the cold dark of reality that will set you free. God doesn't want you to believe him and doesn't love you, because he doesn't exits.

My fellow brothers, listen to this great parable. Once there was a man, who was most wicked, for he was a Christian. He knew in his heart that God did not exist, and yet he couldn't see that, so blind was he to reason! He prayed every day, he followed the bible, he knew all of the books of the bible by heart.

How ever, one day, as he was walking home, he was hit by a car. He believed that since God existed, he would be helped! And yet the car merely kept driving, and no help came. He believed that his faith in God would save him. though it was obvious that he would have to help himself. But alas, wretched believer that he was, he did not do anything.

But eventually, after hours of lying there, and in his pain and agony, he realized at last that God did not exist, and it gave him the power and conviction to crawl to the nearest hospital.

And then he was healed, he burned his bibles, stopped praying and going to church, and finally his life was right. At last, he had realized the truth.

The religious have my deepest sympathies, for wicked and disgusting though they are, they can be helped. They can see the light, and be saved! SAVED FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE! For truly, these people would be atheists, they merely lack the inner courage and power.

Amen.

There. Now you know how it feels

[Thanatos]

Actually, it is impossible to disprove the existence of God.

The best you can get to is Agnosticism.

[mongoose]

Thanatos, you do not see the truth, so set are you in illogic! It is only impossible because you do not want it to be. So wretched as you are! But do you not feel the burning desire to admit that God does not exist! Truly, you are a sick disgusting fool, but it is not too late for you to see the reason! TO BE SAVED!!!!! FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE AND UNREASON!!!! Come forward and admit your evils, then at last you will be right! Set right, FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE! AND UNREASON!!!!

[Thanatos]

Thanatos, you do not see the truth, so set are you in illogic! It is only impossible because you do not want it to be. So wretched as you are! But do you not feel the burning desire to admit that God does not exist! Truly, you are a sick disgusting fool, but it is not too late for you to see the reason! TO BE SAVED!!!!! FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE AND UNREASON!!!! Come forward and admit your evils, then at last you will be right! Set right, FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE! AND UNREASON!!!!

[Kiljan Arslan]

Thanatos, you do not see the truth, so set are you in illogic! It is only impossible because you do not want it to be. So wretched as you are! But do you not feel the burning desire to admit that God does not exist! Truly, you are a sick disgusting fool, but it is not too late for you to see the reason! TO BE SAVED!!!!! FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE AND UNREASON!!!! Come forward and admit your evils, then at last you will be right! Set right, FROM THE DEPTHS OF IGNORANCE! AND UNREASON!!!!

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Actually, it is impossible to disprove the existence of God.

The best you can get to is Agnosticism.

Again, someone who doesn't know what either Atheism or Agnosticism means. What is wrong with you people? Is it really so hard to grasp?

Atheism = being without a belief in God
Agnosticism = believing that God would be unable to be known or apprehended

A few Atheists believe God doesn't exist, but they are very rare (I never met one, though I once came across one on line. That's in 25 years of discussing this stuff)

So PLEASE jackhammer this through your reinforced concrete skulls - atheism is nothing to do with proving that God doesn't exist.

[Otherside]

Again, someone who doesn't know what either Atheism or Agnosticism means. What is wrong with you people? Is it really so hard to grasp?

Atheism = being without a belief in God
Agnosticism = believing that God would be unable to be known or apprehended

A few Atheists believe God doesn't exist, but they are very rare (I never met one, though I once came across one on line. That's in 25 years of discussing this stuff)

So PLEASE jackhammer this through your reinforced concrete skulls - atheism is nothing to do with proving that God doesn't exist.

then maybe you stay in door's to much most atheist's i know don't believe god exists including me.

but then again atheist inst a religion with set beliefs.

[ajm317]

then maybe you stay in door's to much most atheist's i know don't believe god exists including me.

TG said "A few atheists believe god doesn't exist but they are very rare."

You said "most atheists don't believe god exists."

Both of these statements are correct.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Then what is the belief that God doesn't exist? I thought that was atheism. Seems like a mere play on words, here, as most people have a view, and those who call themselves atheists think God doesn't exist.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

then maybe you stay in door's to much most atheist's i know don't believe god exists including me.

Okay - make that two. So how do you get around the fact that you can't prove a negative?

[Otherside]

Okay - make that two. So how do you get around the fact that you can't prove a negative?

Ok you got me i dont get what your saying.

[Ummon]

Again, someone who doesn't know what either Atheism or Agnosticism means. What is wrong with you people? Is it really so hard to grasp?

Atheism = being without a belief in God
Agnosticism = believing that God would be unable to be known or apprehended

A few Atheists believe God doesn't exist, but they are very rare (I never met one, though I once came across one on line. That's in 25 years of discussing this stuff)

So PLEASE jackhammer this through your reinforced concrete skulls - atheism is nothing to do with proving that God doesn't exist.

The wrong argument based on the wrong Dawkins book. So sad, in truth. You are supposed to have a philosophy minor...

Being without a belief in God is agnosticism: you don't believe in God, you don't believe in the nonexistence of God. (That is, because you don't know, if you knew you'd believe).

[Medicus]

Actually, it is impossible to disprove the existence of God.

It is also impossible to prove the existence of God.

[Thanatos]

It is also impossible to prove the existence of God.

Hence, why some people are agnostics.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Hence, why some people are agnostics.

No.

One more time:

Theism - "I believe there is good reason to believe there is a God"
Atheism - "I am without a belief in God because I find the arguments/reasons given for such a belief unconvincing."
Agnosticism - "Such a being as God would be unknowable to us - ie we would not be able to apprehend it in any way."

Agnosticism is not some kind of fence-sitting position that says we can prove it either way so let's reserve judgement. Agnosticism says that God is totally unknowable. Not unproveable - unknowable.

Ok you got me i dont get what your saying.

How do you maintain a belief that something doesn't exist? You can't prove a negative, so how would you be able to maintain that God (or unicorns, or elves or pretty much anything else) doesn't exist? Are you omniscient? If not, how on earth could you have evidence of the non-existence of God (or unicorns, or elves etc)?

The best you can do is examine the evidence/arguments/reasons for something's existence, find them lacking or unconvincing and remain without a belief in that thing. I find the evidence for unicorns distinctly unconvincing. But since I'm not omniscient and since it's impossible to produce evidence for the non-existence of unicorns, I am simply without a belief in unicorns. That's quite different to maintaining the position that unicorns definitely don't exist.

Ditto for elves. And leprechauns. And Santa. And Zeus. And Thor. And God.

[Ragabash]

Actually, it is impossible to disprove the existence of God.

The best you can get to is Agnosticism.

That is just illogical. You cannot disprove anything (without asking evidence to prove it in the first place) since there is nothing to disprove. Might I add that it's also impossible disprove non existance of god(s) according to your theory, in personal and official level.

You simply cannot argue against, or support something based solely on a non existant matters.

[4p3x]

Actually, it is impossible to disprove the existence of God.

The best you can get to is Agnosticism.

We cant prove a negative. I think you're a child molester... Prove to me you not.



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[iudas]

And TG told me that atheist meant 'lack of belief in God'..

This thread is a pathetic attempt at parody that, instead of satirising Christianity, takes an example characteristic of only armchair experts that have heard the word "Christian" but don't really know what it means. You speak of a "Christian" who knows the Bible by heart, and describe his action based on his religion, even though most obviously you have never read that book. Sad, really, that trying to satirise resulted in such a self-mockery...

[mongoose]

This thread is a pathetic attempt at parody that, instead of satirising Christianity, takes an example characteristic of only armchair experts that have heard the word "Christian" but don't really know what it means. You speak of a "Christian" who knows the Bible by heart, and describe his action based on his religion, even though most obviously you have never read that book. Sad, really, that trying to satirise resulted in such a self-mockery...

Paladin, there is no reason to read that wretched book, for it is evil and unreasoned. Nor should any of you talk to Christians and go to church services, for that may merely waver your logic and reason. That is exactly what the Christophiles want you to do, in their cunning illogical evil. Instead, merely know the truth, the truth that He does not exist.

[MonopthalmusLXXXVIII]

Well, you do have a point. That fire and brimstone stuff just ain't right. Never took to a pastor that likes that. It seems to me that if you're going to be religous that you should watch yourself so that you don't become to proud, and start to sound like that^^^to people. Just my two cents.