Father murders daughter over hijab...

[The Prophet]

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...th-father.aspx

Girl, 16, dies after hijab dispute with father

The 16-year-old Mississauga girl who was allegedly strangled by her father in a dispute over her refusal to wear the hijab has died.
Aqsa Parvez, a Grade 11 student at Applewood Heights, succumbed to her injuries late last night, Peel Regional Police said today.
The girl’s 57-year-old father, Muhammad Parvez, has been charged with muder. Aqsa’s 26-year-old brother, Waqas Parvez, has been charged with obstructing police.
Friends believe Aqsa (seen above in a personal photo) was the victim of a dispute over the teenager's desire to be more western.
“She wanted to live her life the way she wanted to, not the way her parents wanted her to,” classmate Krista Garbhet told the Post this morning.
“She just wanted to be herself, honestly she just wanted to show her beauty, and not be pushed around by her parents telling her what she has to be like, what she has to do. Nobody would want to do that.”
An announcement broadcast at the school, near Bloor Street and Cawthra Road this morning, confirmed Aqsa’s death.
School officials described her as an energetic, well-liked student.
“Peel Police are investigating Aqsa’s death. It’s natural to want answers about why this tragedy occurred, but we really don’t have any of those answers yet. So it’s important to avoid speculation or rumours. If you do have first-hand information that you think is relevant to this case, you can speak with one of the teachers or counsellors, or with office staff,” one school official told students.
A memorial with a photograph of Aqsa and book of dedication was set up in the school’s main foyer.
Grief counsellors are available to support shocked classmates. A flag outside the school has been lowered in memory of the girl.

Absolutely disgusting.

[Giorgos]

This brings to mind mind the following phrase. "It's better to die standing than live on your knees". I despise the old man and the brother for their actions and i hope that the girl's sacrifice will shake the rest of them out of the fanatical blindness that the many years of undisputed and all powerfull patriarchical societies have caused.

[Sadreddine]

Well that's certainly going too far, and depicable. There are always stories like that, although I suppose the spicy flavour that made you open the thread is because they were muslims.

I still remember the striking news of a lovely christian mother who drowned her newborn child as to prevent him to commit any sins: death in innocent purity. There has always been, there are, and there will always be psycos of every denomination you might think about.

[Giorgos]

I still remember the striking news of a lovely christian mother who drowned her newborn child as to prevent him to commit any sins.

What-a-*****. Some Christian she was...

[Sosobra]

Well that's certainly going too far, and depicable. There are always stories like that, although I suppose the spicy flavour that made you open the thread is because they were muslims.

Taking it anywhere is too far , making women conform against there wishes is chauvinism at its peak veiled as Allahs will.

[David Deas]

Taking it anywhere is too far , making women conform against there wishes is chauvinism at its peak veiled as Allahs will.

Maybe chauvinism actually *is* Allah's will? That would mean chauvinism is merciful.

[wilting]

Maybe chauvinism actually *is* Allah's will? That would mean chauvinism is morally correct and merciful.

It does not.

On what basis would Allah's will be inherently morally superior to human will?

[David Deas]

It does not.

On what basis would Allah's will be inherently morally superior to human will?

I have to explain this?

Because this is not a democracy. This is a dictatorship.

Allah created and therefore owns all of us. You are property. Get it? So if Allah wants his property to walk around covered up and not speaking unless spoken to, then fine. Thats his. He can do that. And if she doesn't want to follow directions, then she's taking the risk of Allah getting tired of trying to fix her and just throwing her away. To the trash can in Hell. Where broken stuff goes.

Thats probably I think when Allah signaled her father.

[The Prophet]

Well that's certainly going too far, and depicable. There are always stories like that, although I suppose the spicy flavour that made you open the thread is because they were muslims.

I still remember the striking news of a lovely christian mother who drowned her newborn child as to prevent him to commit any sins: death in innocent purity. There has always been, there are, and there will always be psycos of every denomination you might think about.

So I'm not allowed to open up a thread on this topic simply because they are Muslim? Why are some Muslims so bloody insecure that everytime a clearly endemic problem in their community is brought to light form the dark recesses they feel the need to try to deflect attention to other people and religions? Comparing isolated cases like the Christian woman you mentioned to Muslim honor killings is like comparing bicycle thefts in sweden to rape in the congo. Apple and goats, really.

It is no small secret that Muslim ghettos in Europe are rife with this sort of torture of women and Muslim male bullying. To act like this is some isolated case is to simply bury your head in the sand.

From the news piece its clear that this is a Pakistani family. Pakistani culture is rotting on the inside with these sorts of cases. What makes it different is that the culture and religious mindset of forcing your daughter to do such things is very common among Pakistanis and Arabs. Unlike the story of the Christian woman you mentioned honor killings are generally protected and given legitimacy in places like Pakistan and some parts of the Arab world.

What makes this story stunning is that it happened in Canada. Most North American Muslim immigrants are usually well educated and much more enlightened than their cousins in Europe and the Islamic world. This murder is not merely an isolated case, but it reveals a religio-cultural mindset that has - in this specific case - driven itself to its veritable conclusion.

So please, spare me the apologetics and stop trying to constantly deflect criticism towards other. Same goes for your apologetic liberals, its racist that you think that Muslim people cannot deal with criticism on their own and feel the constant need to explain away these stories by saying "well it happens here too". It happens rarely and secular liberal society at large condemns such things. The same can't be said about Arab and Pakistan communities.

[Sadreddine]

So I'm not allowed to open up a thread on this topic simply because they are Muslim? Why are some Muslims so bloody insecure that everytime a clearly endemic problem in their community is brought to light form the dark recesses they feel the need to try to deflect attention to other people and religions? Comparing isolated cases like the Christian woman you mentioned to Muslim honor killings is like comparing bicycle thefts in sweden to rape in the congo. Apple and goats, really.

It is no small secret that Muslim ghettos in Europe are rife with this sort of torture of women and Muslim male bullying. To act like this is some isolated case is to simply bury your head in the sand.

From the news piece its clear that this is a Pakistani family. Pakistani culture is rotting on the inside with these sorts of cases. What makes it different is that the culture and religious mindset of forcing your daughter to do such things is very common among Pakistanis and Arabs. Unlike the story of the Christian woman you mentioned honor killings are generally protected and given legitimacy in places like Pakistan and some parts of the Arab world.

What makes this story stunning is that it happened in Canada. Most North American Muslim immigrants are usually well educated and much more enlightened than their cousins in Europe and the Islamic world. This murder is not merely an isolated case, but it reveals a religio-cultural mindset that has - in this specific case - driven itself to its veritable conclusion.

So please, spare me the apologetics and stop trying to constantly deflect criticism towards other. Same goes for your apologetic liberals, its racist that you think that Muslim people cannot deal with criticism on their own and feel the constant need to explain away these stories by saying "well it happens here too". It happens rarely and secular liberal society at large condemns such things. The same can't be said about Arab and Pakistan communities.

It seems like I hit the nail on the head and blood came out

Look, here in Spain the most troublesome of immigrants are your christian Romanians. Spain is one of the countries where most women are ill treated in Europe. It's also one of thew foremost catholic countries in the world. You mean contemporary muslim countries are crap? Me too. But, the thing is, the same crap, in different name, exists in your "western" civilized regions.

This new is in this forum only because it's a crime based in an interpretation of religion. I'm pretty sure if I posted here a thread about a drunk spanish guy burning alive his wife and children (for whatever the reason led him to do so), it wouldn't be of such interest, because, you now, it's not a crime involving the usage of a veil.

This kind of threads benefit only those eager to mock and denigrate Islam and muslims. There have been dozens like this one, and the end result is always the same.

[The Prophet]

It seems like I hit the nail on the head and blood came out

Don't flatter yourself. You launched low blow implying ulterior motive of mine and you got a well-deserved smack across the e-face.

Look, here in Spain the most troublesome of immigrants are your christian Romanians.

Your? What do you mean by your? You have already revealed all we need to know about yourself by one simple word. And you have revealed the very purpose of this thread. I am neither christian nor am I Romanian? So why use the word your "christian romanians"? Because, like so many extremists, you also live in a mind-set of "us vs them". Very despicable.

Spain is one of the countries where most women are ill treated in Europe. It's also one of thew foremost catholic countries in the world.

Whose talking about spain? This happened in Canada.

You mean contemporary muslim countries are crap? Me too. But, the thing is, the same crap, in different name, exists in your "western" civilized regions.

Once again whats with this your? Are you such a tribal minded partisan that you automatically assume I'm some sort of machine with the giant label "WEST" on it? Perhaps thats how you see the world, but I prefer to treat peoples as individuals and case by case.

This new is in this forum only because it's a crime based in an interpretation of religion. I'm pretty sure if I posted here a thread about a drunk spanish guy burning alive his wife and children (for whatever the reason led him to do so), it wouldn't be of such interest, because, you now, it's not a crime involving the usage of a veil.

Why am I responsible for this? It is a relevant issue highlighting an aspect of muslim culture among many immigrants. You can post stories from spain to your hearts content.

This kind of threads benefit only those eager to mock and denigrate Islam and muslims. There have been dozens like this one, and the end result is always the same.

Yes, some may denigrate Muslims - and thats wrong. Of course denigrating Islam is not such a bad thing. Especially if Islam has earned that denigration. Ideas are not entitled to any sort of protection.

Now lets get to the heart of the matter. You are a walking example of why I made this thread. From reading your post one would assume that it was me who killed this innocent teenager. Guess what? It was the Muslim father that killer her, not me. Muslim fathers and brothers from the ghettos of Europe to the Pakistan to Jordan to Saudi Arabia and now in Missisauga, Canada. They are the ones denigrating and humiliating Islam and Muslims, not me. So before you go trying to get me to feel sorry for revealing a story which exposes the rotten core of a rotten culture please remember whose the real killers and blame them.

And frankly I could care less what Islam or the Quran has to say. I have little interest in bashing the religion. However, I am against any religion or culture that says its okay to treat your daughters, sisters and wives as cattle that can be covered up like any other property.

What does concern me is that this is a cultural practice among many Arabs and Pakistanis and that it is generally accepted and condoned back home. While this story resulted in murder, don't forget that it reminds us that there are many many smarter women in immigrant families who decide to obey their fathers demands and live covered up by force.

This is merely a symptom of a much much bigger cultural issue. In this case an underlying cancer within Muslim culture revealed itself above the surface at the cost of an innocent life.

Now tell me Ibn Rushd, why do you think it was me who killed this girl?

[Sadreddine]

Don't flatter yourself. You launched low blow implying ulterior motive of mine and you got a well-deserved smack across the e-face.



Your? What do you mean by your? You have already revealed all we need to know about yourself by one simple word. And you have revealed the very purpose of this thread. I am neither christian nor am I Romanian? So why use the word your "christian romanians"? Because, like so many extremists, you also live in a mind-set of "us vs them". Very despicable.



Whose talking about spain? This happened in Canada.


Once again whats with this your? Are you such a tribal minded partisan that you automatically assume I'm some sort of machine with the giant label "WEST" on it? Perhaps thats how you see the world, but I prefer to treat peoples as individuals and case by case.



Why am I responsible for this? It is a relevant issue highlighting an aspect of muslim culture among many immigrants. You can post stories from spain to your hearts content.



Yes, some may denigrate Muslims - and thats wrong. Of course denigrating Islam is not such a bad thing. Especially if Islam has earned that denigration. Ideas are not entitled to any sort of protection.

Now lets get to the heart of the matter. You are a walking example of why I made this thread. From reading your post one would assume that it was me who killed this innocent teenager. Guess what? It was the Muslim father that killer her, not me. Muslim fathers and brothers from the ghettos of Europe to the Pakistan to Jordan to Saudi Arabia and now in Missisauga, Canada. They are the ones denigrating and humiliating Islam and Muslims, not me. So before you go trying to get me to feel sorry for revealing a story which exposes the rotten core of a rotten culture please remember whose the real killers and blame them.

And frankly I could care less what Islam or the Quran has to say. I have little interest in bashing the religion. However, I am against any religion or culture that says its okay to treat your daughters, sisters and wives as cattle that can be covered up like any other property.

What does concern me is that this is a cultural practice among many Arabs and Pakistanis and that it is generally accepted and condoned back home. While this story resulted in murder, don't forget that it reminds us that there are many many smarter women in immigrant families who decide to obey their fathers demands and live covered up by force.

This is merely a symptom of a much much bigger cultural issue. In this case an underlying cancer within Muslim culture revealed itself above the surface at the cost of an innocent life.

Now tell me Ibn Rushd, why do you think it was me who killed this girl?

You really need to calm down and get some fresh air before posting stuff like this. As for your darings, I would find a waste of time to follow you on your game. This is plain ridiculous.

I'd say you need to improve your rethorics and your understanding of people's posts. And please, try to be less aggressive in your attitude.

[Bovril]

I still remember the striking news of a lovely christian mother who drowned her newborn child as to prevent him to commit any sins: death in innocent purity. There has always been, there are, and there will always be psycos of every denomination you might think about.

There's a difference between a clear and isolated case of psychosis and a culturally entrenched phenomenon.

[The Prophet]

There's a difference between a clear and isolated case of psychosis and a culturally entrenched phenomenon.

And there lies the very point of this thread.

[LSJ]

This is a tragedy... Most Muslim girls in my school don't wear the Hijab, and their parents respect the decision. One unfortunate thing that comes with immigration can be medieval world values. Or at least that is what I call it. Its like the father who murdered his daughter in Canada for refusing to marry a man he picked out for her back in India.

These "honour killings" or whatever you want to call them are a really despicable practice. And its an all too common occurance throughout south Asia.

[jankren]

Give the mother****er the electric chair.

[Medicus]

Give the mother****er the electric chair.

This is why I advocate capital punishment.

This is sick, absolutely sick. It's about time people started going to these communities and telling them the law, and their only choice is to obey it or get the **** out.

[Da Skinna]

This is why I advocate capital punishment.

This is sick, absolutely sick. It's about time people started going to these communities and telling them the law, and their only choice is to obey it or get the **** out.

This is just another log to the fire of that old thread I had "Assimilate or Piss off." But the mods changed it to "Assimilate or go away." Meh.

[Medicus]

This is just another log to the fire of that old thread I had "Assimilate or Piss off." But the mods changed it to "Assimilate or go away." Meh.

Well, some people may paint me as a racist, but I'm right, and you know I'm right. Born-and-bred Americans/Canadans/Britons/Australians don't strangle their children when they wear distasteful clothing. Isn't there a test migrants should take? Some box where they tick "I would strangle my daughter if she disobeyed me"?

That'd suck if people assimilated. What they need to do is accept some basic tenents of modern western society. Simple things like free speech, women's rights, reason over faith, secularism, etc.

I have no problems with this. I have problems with immigrants acting like they're still in their old nation, when men are free to beat their women to death.

[jankren]

Well, some people may paint me as a racist, but I'm right, and you know I'm right. Born-and-bred Americans/Canadans/Britons/Australians don't strangle their children when they wear distasteful clothing. Isn't there a test migrants should take? Some box where they tick "I would strangle my daughter if she disobeyed me"?

Well you are indeed right. If an Afghan immigrant in my country did the same thing I would want him thrown back to Kabul or meet the executors. Im glad we have capital punishment in Indonesia .