Will Humanity Ever Be Peaceful?

[MasterAdnin]

Do you guys that humans will ever stop thinking individualistically and start thinking as a whole? What I mean is will people ever stop being selfish and act to further the development and better the condition of humanity? I will post my opinion later.

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Prophet]

Why is thinking individually such a bad thing? Sometimes thinking as a whole causes the most violence. After all most of the terrible things done was done supposedly to better humanity and the world.

[Irishman]

While I agree with The Prophet on the wording, I think that a compassionate society CAN develope, and if it does, it will not happen for many hundreds of years.

However, if you are thinking of little fights between school kids or the such, then I think that it is unlikely. Overall, I think that it is very possible that in the future (hundreds if not thousands of years away) that war will not be taken as an option by govenments.

If course, if the wrong philosophies are taken up by humanity, we will sink back into ignorance and hatred.

[IndianPrince]

I dont think humanity can achieve world peace at any time. Jealousy, hatred & revenge are human qualities which restrict this new world order from becoming a possibility. Yet i have not given up hope as the day THAT happens any chance of world peace will be destroyed for me ... so it isn't bad to wish it but probably chances are very small ... but humanity has amazed everyone for a long time & i hope it shall once again do so

Prince

[The Prophet]

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Will Humanity Ever Be Peacful?

In a way this is this is a funny thread...

[wilting]

Do you guys that humans will ever stop thinking individualistically and start thinking as a whole?

I hope not, we are by nature individuals.

What I mean is will people ever stop being selfish and act to further the development and better the condition of humanity?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Given that society does indeed develop either proves this, or proves that people do indeed act altruistically. As individuals we are responsible for our own welfare, all of us can never commit to the well being of the whole without neglecting the individual.

It is possible to cast off one's sense of self through meditation, and we have some understanding of the workings of this in the brain, but I would consider it extremely difficult for all of society to commit to this on a permanent basis (even if it is possible for an individual to do this), assuming the were willing, society would cease to function. We would lose our drive and ambition. Meditation is fine in small amounts, or to be dedicated to by small enclaves, but I cannot see a society of individuals functioning without the sense of self.

Of course, one could speculate about the nature of humanity changing due to artificial means, but there are so many possibilities here I'm not sure it fits with this discussion. It may foster greater cooperation amongst the transhuman, but not all might be transhuman and thus it would possibly produce division and therefore conflict between the transhuman and the human.

Neither of these questions are inherently linked to the question of whether Humanity will ever be peaceful, by the way.

[Exarch]

Do you guys that humans will ever stop thinking individualistically and start thinking as a whole? What I mean is will people ever stop being selfish and act to further the development and better the condition of humanity? I will post my opinion later.

Salaam,
Adnan

no, communism failed dood.
look at the 'experiment' that was mother russia.

[MasterAdnin]

By stop being individualistic I meant that people stop being selfish and try and help each other out before helping themselves. I also meant, well the question should be, will humans ever stop craving power?

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Prophet]

Craving power and wanting more than our fair share is what make us human. Its a double edged sword. If we were humble and benign creatures, we would still be living in caves.

It was that desire for more than what you just need that gave rise to the Arts, Philosophy, Religion and Science. All the good things that humans are proud of come from those basic desires of wanting more.

So to answer your question: I hope not. We are humans not animals or plants.

[MasterAdnin]

Craving power and wanting more than our fair share is what make us human. Its a double edged sword. If we were humble and benign creatures, we would still be living in caves.

It was that desire for more than what you just need that gave rise to the Arts, Philosophy, Religion and Science. All the good things that humans are proud of come from those basic desires of wanting more.

So to answer your question: I hope not. We are humans not animals or plants.

Craving power and the hunger for knowledge are two separate things. If one wishes to be powerful it is different than one who wishes to have knowledge, and while both can bring advancements, craving power can end up very bad.

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Prophet]

Craving power and the hunger for knowledge are two separate things. If one wishes to be powerful it is different than one who wishes to have knowledge, and while both can bring advancements, craving power can end up very bad.

Different in spirit perhaps. But the same principles are behind it.

Think about it. We really don't need science or learning. Plato could have lived just as easily if he was just a merchant or what not. Of course he wanted to learn and teach. And thats the difference between us and animals.

Humans want. And at the end of the day.. if you want to take the good, then you have to take the bad.

[Syron]

By stop being individualistic I meant that people stop being selfish and try and help each other out before helping themselves.

You see, that does not make sense. How can you help anyone else if you don't look after yourself first?

Independence and individuality is the key. You can keep the Utopian "one world" ideas.

[Kiki52]

The only time which I think humanity as a whole will be peaceful is when there is like either a super disaster or some super event that kills like 99% or greater of the human population in a very very short period of time. Then humanity will then have to learn how to cooperate or not survive. I think that is what many prophecies of many people are or some spin off of it.

I do know Muslims believe that one day when they said the "Dajjal" will come there will be a great war that will kill billions then Islam will rule the world. The Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come and unite all the Muslims into an army that will fight and bring the world under the rule of Islam then Isa after 40 years will die and all the Muslims will be sad and pray for him. That is a form of peace... a peace through conquest.

The Jews believe that when the Messiah comes, all the enemies of the Jews (like all the Anti-Semites and Neo-Nazis worldwide) will be put to death. Then the Jews shall reign forever in a utopia and be the most premier and greatest of all people. Search online if you'd like concerning Jewish Messianic prophecies.

Christians believe that Jesus will come and destroy all the world's billions of people and cities will be destroyed then establish a 1000 year reign on earth where all people who accepted Jesus will live a 1000 year peaceful reign forever. The Christians will be raptured into heaven before the 7 year tribulation comes and the Anti-Christ comes to Earth. Again, another form of peace through conquest.

Hopi Native Americans believe that there are two options to cause humanity to be peaceful with the world and with each other. The Great Spirit will shake the world with both hands because he is very sad that humanity has turned away from the way of spirit and this will kill many and destroy many. Then the Hopi and all Native Americans will help instruct all humanity on how to live a spiritual life in the wake of the massive destruction caused by the onset of the white man's ways, and all people will live in harmony forever because all the races the red race, the brown race, the white race, and the yellow race will all cooperate together. Either that, or humanity will destroy the whole world and no one, not even the Hopi, will survive and we'll all be dead.

When the 5th Buddha comes, he will bring with him peace and cause all men to be peaceful perhaps.

The same peace may happen when the upcoming Age of Kali arrives.

The Norse Viking pagans once believed the world will end when there is a great fight between good and evil, then in the process all things and the whole world will be destroyed until the only thing left is the All-Father (The Pagan God of the Norse Vikings). A sense of 'peace' but I don't know why they didn't offer a peaceful alternative where humanity would survive.

So humanity will become peaceful one way or the other. But it either must come through conquest or destruction followed by a common need to survive and turn from our bad ways.

[Chaigidel]

short answer ; yes and no

yes in that as long as we live we will fight, because it is one of the joys of life; the dance of death so to speak ; getting in the mix

but one day we will all be gone, and our wars will all be done.

[Irishman]

Independence and individuality is the key. You can keep the Utopian "one world" ideas.

I would say that interdependence is the key.

[Thanatos]

No, ever since the Fall of Man, strife has been mankind's natural nature.

Peace is abnormal.

[Medicus]

No, ever since the Fall of Man, strife has been mankind's natural nature.

So you actually believe in the Garden of Eden?

I think that we can stop war and genocide, and perhaps even unite humanity, but there's still going to be murder, rape, and robbery. It's unavoidable.

[Sidmen]

I highly doubt it, humanity will continue to fight itself until it finds an alien race to fight, then it'll fight them. War is quite simply too profitable (to both individuals, groups, and mankind as a whole) it benefits us in more ways than most care to admit.

[Thanatos]

I highly doubt it, humanity will continue to fight itself until it finds an alien race to fight, then it'll fight them. War is quite simply too profitable (to both individuals, groups, and mankind as a whole) it benefits us in more ways than most care to admit.

Like the whole pillaging and carrying off of women thing?

I wonder if alien girls are nice.

[Mathias]

Humans will always be selfish. Hell, we can't be anything but selfish. It is possible though, that we can be peaceful through our selfishness.