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    Found some interesting info I thought I'd share (had to put it here since Rajput thread is closed, and some doesn't belong there anyway...)

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    Ethiopians in India in Ancient and

    Early Medieval Times

    Today, and for the next few weeks, we are going to look at the Ethiopian diaspora. We are, however, restricting ourselves, for the moment, to the historic diaspora in India.
    Trade Winds
    We should note at the outset that commercial contacts between Ethiopia and India were much facilitated over the centuries by the Trade Winds which blew the scope and extent of such relations are indicated in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, a Graeco-Egyptian commercial manual written around the first century AD. This work shows that the Aksumite port of Adulis, on the Red Sea coast of Africa, traded extensively with various parts of Western India, which supplied Ethiopia with both textiles and spices. Aksumite exports consisted mainly of ivory and rhinoceros horn, but according to the Roman writer Pliny, also included slaves. The latter were also shipped, according to the Periplus, from Opone, later known as Ras Hafun, a promontory on the Indian Ocean coast of Africa, ninety miles south of Cape Guardafui.
    An On-going Affair...
    Aksumite trade with the East was an on-going affair in ancient times, as evident from an early sixth century Graeco-Egyptian text, the Christian Topography of Kosmas Indikopleustes. It states that the Aksumites were at that time trading with India and Taprobane, i.e Ceylon, as well as Arabia and Persia.
    Definitions: Habshis, Sidis, and Kaffirs
    The coming of Ethiopian, and other East African, slaves to India a millennium or so later is abundantly documented in Indian, and in particular Gujarat, records. These refer to such slaves mainly by three more or less alternative names: Habshis, Sidis, and Kaffirs.
    The term Habshi was a corruption of Habash, the Arabic name for Abyssinia. This name is believed to have derived from Habashat, the name of a Semitic people located in northern Tegray in present-day Ethiopia, and a neighboring stretch of Eritrea. They are believed by many to have migrated in ancient times from Yaman..
    The word Habshi, as its derivation implies, doubtless at first applied primarily to Abyssinians (or, in modern parlance, Ethiopians), but was later used more widely for any Africans. However, most slaves taken from Africa to India would, for geographical reasons, have originated on the eastern side of continent. For much of the time covered in this paper they would probably have included a substantial, if not a predominant, proportion of Abyssinians.
    The term Sidi by contrast was a corruption of the Arabic Saiyid, or "master". The word, as Edwardes notes, had "an honourable import" when first assumed, but, in common parlance, had become "rather an appellation of reproach than distinction" This is confirmed by the Frenchman François Pyrard of Laval, who, reporting on a visit to the Maldives in 1607, observed that "the greatest insult that can be passed upon a man is to call him a cisdy", i.e. Sidi.
    The term Kaffir was derived from the Arabic Kafir, originally an Infidel, or Unbeliever in Islam. The word tended to be used in India for any non-Muslim, and was in many, though not all, cases applied to African immigrants and their descendants.
    Converts to Islam
    Ethiopian and other African slaves taken to India (or indeed Arabia, their first port of call) were for the most part converted to Islam. This change of religion sometimes occurred even on the boats transporting the captives across the sea. After conversion they almost invariably abandoned their pre-Muslim names, in favour of Islamic ones. This was unfortunate from the historical point of view, for it destroyed the possibility of identifying the slaves’ places of origin from their personal or family names.
    Slaves in Islamic India, on the other hand, benefited from their conversion, in that it facilitated their integration into Indian Muslim society. Unlike Negro slaves in the New World, slaves in Muslim India were largely free from racial discrimination. They differed from slaves in America and the West Indies, moreover, in that they were not subjected to plantation labour. Many slaves in India entered the personal service of rulers and other politically important personalities, in not a few instances as palace guards. This enabled them, like such functionaries in many lands, to exercise immense power, not only as king-makers, but, after successful coups d’etat, as kings themselves.
    From the Early 13th. to the Late 15th. Century
    The first Ethiopian slaves arriving in the Indian sub-continent may have come early in the Christian era. This would appear probable, in view of the antiquity of the Horn of Africa’s slave exports, and the extensive trade between the Ethiopia and India indicated in the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea.
    Documentation on African slaves in India is, however, scarcely available for over a millennium, until the early thirteenth century.
    The North and West: Delhi, Gujarat, the Gulf of Cambay, and MalabarThe first Habshi of whom there is historical record was probably Jamal al-Din Yaqut, a royal courtier in the kingdom of Delhi, in the north of the sub-continent. A handsome and most likable individual, he won the favour of the then reigning sovereign Queen Radiyya (1236-1240). This incurred him much jealousy at court, on which account he was eventually murdered by his rivals.
    Habshis, it is evident from fourteenth century reports, were soon also prominent in several other parts of India. The largest concentrations of slaves was apparently found in the north-west, facing Africa: in Gujarat, and, immediately to the east, around the Gulf of Cambay. Both areas had long been in close commercial contact, across the Arabian and Red Seas, with Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa.
    The Evidence of Ibn Battuta
    Early evidence of an Ethiopian slave presence in the sub-continent is provided by the famous Moroccan traveller Ibn Battuta. Describing the situation between 1333 and 1342, he recalls that on embarking on a ship at Qandahar, or Gandhar on the west coast of India, he found on board "fifty Abyssinian men-at-arms", and adds, with admiration: "these latter are the guarantors of safety on the Indian Ocean; let there be but one of them on a ship and it will be avoided by the Indian pirates and idolaters". Half a century later, in 1375-6, Gujarat was reported as paying a tribute of 400 slaves, described as "children of Hindu chiefs and Abyssinians".
    A sizable number of Habshis were also found much further south, at Calicut, which also faced the African continent, and traded with Ethiopia. Ibn Battuta tells of a shipowner’s agent at the port, who, when going ashore, was "preceded by archers and Abyssinians with javelins, swords, drums, trumpets and bugles".
    Habshis were likewise in evidence further south again, at Colombo, in Ceylon, where Ibn Battuta reports that Jalasti, "the wazir and ruler of the sea", had "about five hundred Abyssinians".
    The North: Alapur and Jaunpur
    Habshis were also reported in the interior of northern India. Ibn Battuta recalls that at Alapur, north of Delhi, the governor was "the Abyssinian Badr..., a man whose bravery passed into a proverb". He was "continually making raids on the infidels alone and single-handed, killing and taking captive, so that his fame spread far and wide and the infidels went in fear of them". Gossip had it that he had retained some non-Indian ways: according to Ibn Battuta he used to eat "a whole sheep at a meal", and, "following the custom of the Abyssinians", would, after consuming it, drink a pound and a half of ghee, or clarified butter.
    Later in the century a slave called Malik Sarwar, described as a Habshi, was appointed further north as governor of Jaunpur. He was succeeded by his son Mubarak Shah, who struck coins in his own name, and was succeeded in turn by his brother Ibrahim Shah. The latter reigned for almost forty years, and is remembered as a patron of literature and the arts.
    The North-East: Bengal
    Numerous Habshis and other foreign slaves were likewise politically very prominent in fifteenth century Bengal, a region in north-east India which also enjoyed extensive trade with Ethiopia and other parts of Africa. The then Bengali ruler, Sultan Rukn al-Din (1450-1474), reportedly had no less than 8,000 African slaves, some of whom rose to positions of considerable importance. Such slaves were particularly influential during the ensuing reign of Jalal al-Din Fath Shah (1481-1487). This caused the modern Indian historian Sir Jadu-Nath Sarkar, a stern critic of the Habshis, to remark:
    "The Abyssinians... presented a serious problem... they had captured most of the high positions and now swarmed in the palace and in the city. Power made them arrogant and like the Turks in the employ of the later Abbaside Caliphs, they behaved with the citizens with increasing violence. The more defiant of them, according to Firishta, were consequently punished ‘with the scourge of justice’".
    The Habshis were in fact so powerful in Bengal that a group of them, including the chief eunuch, conspired to overthrow the then ruler Jalal al-Din Fath. Taking advantage of the absence on campaign of the loyal Habshi commander-in-chief, Amir al-Umara Malik Andil, the Habshi commander of the palace guards, Sultan Shahzada, assassinated Jalal al-Din. "From protectors of the dynasty", one historian wrote, "the Abyssinians became masters of the kingdom".
    Shahzada duly assumed the throne, in 1486, and adopted the name of Barbak Shah. He was, however, soon afterwards killed by the Habshi Amir al-Umara who in his turn made himself king, with the name Sayf al-Din Firuz (1487-1490). A kind man, he is said to have confounded his treasury officials by the largesse of his gifts to the poor. His reign was, however, short, for he was replaced only three years later by an infant king. Real power, however, fell into the hands of another Habshi, Habash Khan, who was later killed by yet another Habshi, Sidi Badr "the madman", who had the young king put to death. Badr then seized the throne, under the name of Shams al-Din Muzaffar Shah, and instituted a reign of terror. His cruelty, however, provoked strong opposition against him, and by extension against Habshi domination. His army, which included no less than 5,000 well-armed Habshis, was besieged for three months, at the end of which he died.



    And some info on possible other Indian Factions, thogh mostly about the Kingdom of Bihar:

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    Bihar

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    ?Bihar
    India
    Patna
    Time zone
    IST (UTC+5:30)
    Area
    94,164 km² (36,357 sq mi)
    Capital
    Patna
    Largest city
    Patna
    District(s)
    38
    Population
    Density

    82,878,796 (3rd)
    • 880/km² (2,279/sq mi)

    Language(s)
    Hindi, Urdu, Angika, Bhojpuri, Magahi, Maithili
    Governor
    R.S. Gavai
    Chief Minister
    Nitish Kumar
    Established
    1912
    Legislature (seats)
    Bicameral (243 + 96)
    ISO abbreviation
    IN-BR
    Seal of Bihar

    Coordinates: 25°21′N 85°07′E / 25.35, 85.12
    Bihar(Hindi: बिहार, Urdu: بہار, IPA: [bihaːr]) is a state of the Indian union situated in central eastern India. Its capital is Patna.
    To Bihar's north is the country of Nepal. On its other three sides Bihar is surrounded by the Indian states of Uttar Pradesh to the west, Jharkhand to the south and West Bengal to the east. Bihar lies in the very fertileIndo-Gangetic Plain. Culturally, it is a part of the Bhojpuri heartland of India. Bihar is also the birth place of the first president of India, Dr. Rajendra Prasad and legendary freedom fighters like Babu Kunwar Singh, Swami Sahajanand Saraswati, Basawon Singh (Sinha), Dr. Anugrah Narayan Sinha,[1]Loknayak Jayaprakash Narayan , Dr. Sri Krishna Sinha and Maulana Mazharul Haque.
    Etymology of the name


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    The name Bihar is derived from the Sanskrit vihāra (Dev. विहार), means "abode". The region roughly encompassing the present state was dotted with Buddhist vihara, which were the abodes of Buddhist monks in the ancient and medieval periods.
    History

    Main article: History of Bihar
    Ancient

    Bihar was called Magadha in ancient times. Its capital Patna, then known as Pataliputra, was the center of the first empire built in India, that was by Nanda Dynasty, followed by Mauryan empire, which dominated the Indian subcontinent from 325 BC to 185 BC. Emperor Ashoka was the most famous ruler of this dynasty. Bihar remained an important place of power, culture and education during the next one thousand years. The Vikramshila and NalandaUniversities, were among the oldest and best centres of education in ancient India.
    Religions Originating in Bihar

    Bihar is the birthplace of several religions, including Buddhism and Jainism. Buddha attained Enlightenment at Bodh Gaya, a town located in the modern day district of Gaya. Mahavira, the 24th and the last Tirthankara of Jainism, was born in Vaishali. Indeed Jain monks & nuns wandered in the towns and forests of then-Magadha. They called it vihara and thus Bihar got its name from the vihara of jain sages.The tenth guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh was born in Patna, the capital of Bihar.
    Medieval

    Muhammad Bin Bakhtiar Khilji, a Pashtun and general of Muhammad Ghori, captured Bihar in 12th century. Many of the viharas and the famed universities of Nalanda and Vikramshila were destroyed in this period.

    Bihar saw a brief period of glory for six years during the rule of another Pashtun Sher Shah Suri, who was from Sasaram and built the longest road of the Indian subcontinent, the Grand Trunk Road, which starts from Sonargaon in Bangladesh and ends at Peshawar in Pakistan.

    Ikhtiyar Uddin Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji (Persian اختيار الدين محمد بن بختيار الخلجي), (Bengaliইখতিয়ার উদ্দিন মুহম্মদ বখতিয়ার খলজীalso known as Malik Ghazi Ikhtiyaru 'l-Din Muhammad Bakhtiyar Khalji, a member of the MuslimPashtunKhilji or as it is known in Afghanistan Ghilzai tribe, who was head of the armies that conquered much of northeastern India.
    He was one of the military generals of Qutb-ud-din Aybak. Muhammad Khilji conquered Bihar in 1193. His troops destroyed the famous Buddhist university at Nalanda (in modern Bihar State) in the year 1193. Later, he also brought Bengal’s ruler Lakshman Sen under his authority, and captured his capital in 1205. He is the founder of the Khilji dynasty and is considered to be the first muslim ruler of Bengal.
    From what I have been able to piece together, as Bengal, to Bihar’s East, grew politically and militarily so to did Bihar, though with some differences. Bihar was also the main center for Bhuddist study, as The Bhudda was born and achieved enlightenment within the area of Bihar. Astronomy, mathematics, and other sciences were also taught here as well. The main influence on Bihir from Bengal would appear to be the use of horsemen. Bengal, which was lacking in good mounts, began importing them between the 8th and 13th centuries C.E. The overflow moved westward, and into Bihar. (Both Arabic and Chinese sorces note this.)
    By the 12th-13th century the Muslim expansion would be the main fear of the Bihari (as well as the Bengali states. Like the Rajputs, they wielded some strong horsemen and likely elephant mounted troops, but the vast majority of their army would have been made up of various jungle, hill, and possibly, mountain tribes, armed with hunting weapons (spears and bows), swords, maces, and axes, but little to no armor. This would put them at a severe disadvantage against the Muslims, however, in BC (unlike what happened in real life where deception and shere luck helped bring down the Bihar and Bengal kingdoms) the number of troops able to be fielded made up for this detriment.

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    I agree about the idea of trade winds, especially since they were essential for trade ships to get to Muscat and the Persian gulf.

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    Wow Bihar looks like an awesome faction if it were to be created, perhaps an ally from which the rajputs could rely on.

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    What religion would the BC team put for Bihar if they did it? I doubt it could be a faction in BC 1.0. Perhaps for BC 2.0 it could be another faction added along with the Mongols, Kara-Khitai, and Kievan Rus. I don't think they can put Buddhism because there are CA-made hardcoded limit to the number of religions/cultures.

    But it'd be cool if Bihar if it got in in maybe 2.0 or 3.0 if any maybe has Hinduism as the religion because Buddhism is mostly an offshoot of Hinduism just like Christianity and Islam are offshoots of Judaism. Buddhism has many things Hinduism has with one notable exception, they do not have a system of castes and Gautama Buddha himself said to the Brahmins at this time they they are blind men who lead blind men who lead blind men. So maybe just for simplification purposes Bihar could be Hindu so as to be more of an ally to the Rajputs, but they won't have units based upon the caste systems like a Kshatriya unit but some other equivelant powerful swordsmen unit or somehow different than Rajput roster.

    So you can scare the small and greatly outnumbered Muslim invaders with the combined superhordes of Hindu warriors. It'd be just like the movie 300, except in reverse the larger force will win.

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    Another possible suggestion for an Indian Faction: The Kingdom of Gujarat:

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    Main article: History of Gujarat
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    Migration and Hindu Kingdoms

    The name of the state is derived from Gujarāta (Gurjar Rāshtra), which means Gurjar nation. Gurjars were an old clan that was present even during the Mahabharata period, according to another theory, they are one of the Central Asian tribes that migrated to India beginning from around the first century BC. Gujarat's coastal cities, chiefly Bharuch, served as ports and trading centres for the Maurya and Gupta empires. After the collapse of the Gupta empire in the sixth century, Gujarat flourished as an independent Hindu kingdom. The Maitraka dynasty, descended from a Gupta general, ruled from the sixth to the eighth centuries from their capital at Vallabhi, although they were ruled briefly by Harsha during the seventh century. In 775 the first Parsi (Zoroastrian) refugees arrived in Gujarat from Iran. The Arab rulers of Sind sacked Vallabhi in 770, bringing the Maitraka dynasty to an end. A branch of the Pratihara clan ruled Gujarat after the eighth century. From the ninth century until the invasion by the Muslim rulers of Delhi in the late thirteenth century, it was ruled by the Solanki dynasty.

    The Solanki (from Chalukya, an ancient Indian dynasty) are a Hindu clan who ruled parts of western and central India between the 10th and 13th centuries AD. The Solanki are a branch of the Chalukya dynasty of whose oldest known area of residence was in present-day Karnataka.[1] The Solanki clan-name is found within the Gurjar and Rajput communities.
    In Gujarat, Anhilwara (modern Siddhpur Patan) served as their capital. Gujarat was a major center of Indian Ocean trade, and Anhilwara was one of the largest cities in India, with population estimated at 100,000 in the year 1000. The Solankis were patrons of the great seaside temple of Shiva at Somnath Patan in Kathiawar; Bhima Dev helped rebuild the temple after it was sacked by Mahmud of Ghazni in 1026. His son Karandev conquered the Bhil king Ashapall or Ashaval, and after his victory established a city named Karnavati on the banks of the Sabarmati River, at the site of modern Ahmedabad.

    Establishment of the dynasty
    Mulraj Solanki overthrew Samantsinh Chavda in 942 and set up what came to be known as the Solanki Gurjar dynasty. Ambitious as he was, he started expanding his frontiers and established his complete and total hold over Saurashtra and Kachchh by defeating Grahripu of Junagadh (Saurashtra) and Lakho Fulani of Kachchh. Mulraj Solanki's reign marked the start of a period during which Gujarati culture flowered as manifested in art, architecture, language and script. It is described as the golden period of Gujarat's chequered history. Mulraj himself adopted the title of Gurjaresh (King of Gurjardesh) an aristocratic title. The territory under the sway of the Solankis came to be known by different variations of the word Gurjar like Gurjardesh, Gurjara-Rastra and finally Gujarat

    Siddhraj Jaysinh

    The one name stand out in the Solanki dynasty is Siddhraj Jaysinh also known as Siddhraj Solanki who ruled for 47 years from 1094 and considered as the most prominent Solanki king. Apart from Saurashtra and Kachchh, Siddhraj Jaysinh had also conquered the Malwa.
    The popular conception of Siddhraj mixes greatness and medieval callousness. One of the most prominent legends of the Gujarat bards is woven round the siege of Junagadh by Siddhraj' Jaysinh. Siddhraj wanted to marry the princess Ranakdevi, but his vassal, Ra Khengar, the Chief of Junagadh, married her before he could do so. An enraged Siddharaj attacked the mountain-fortress of Junagadh. It fell after Ra Khengar's nephews betrayed him. Ranakdevi refused Siddharaj's advances for marriage after he had killed her husband and two sons. She was forcibly brought to Wadhwan where she committed the ritual of Sati at this place to protect her honour. It is believed that her curse made Bhogavo, a local river, waterless, forever. Some historians doubt the authenticity of the story.
    Siddhraj is said to have ascended the throne of Patan after the death of his Father Karandev. His mother Minaldevi, played a great part in establishing his rule in Gujarat. Other notable figures of his time Included his, Prime Minister Munjal Mehta and leading courtier Uda Mehta.
    He also features in the legend of Jasma Odan, a beautiful woman of the tank diggers' community-oudes, who were digging a new tank in Patan. Already married, she refused Siddhraj's advances and committed sati to protect her honour. It is believed that her curse made this tank waterless and the king without an heir to the kingdom of Gujarat.

    Later generations

    Siddhraj's successor was the king Kumarpal, who rebuilt the Somnath temple. Several scholars including the great Acharya Hemachandra flourished during the rule of Kumarpal.
    After 1243, the Solankis lost control of Gujarat to their feudatories, of whom the Vaghela chiefs of Dholka came to dominate Gujarat. In 1297 Gujarat was conquered by the Delhi Sultanate.
    Descendants of King Tribhuvanpal settled in Rajasthan under King Ranakdeo. His descendant settled in Lach village in Sirohi. Rao Lakha of Sirohi attacked King Bhoja 16 times and failed on every occasion. At last, Rao having assistance from Idar attacked Solankis and King Bhoja was killed in the 17th battle. His descendant Raimal Solanki went to Mewar where he was rewarded with Roopnagar(Desuri) Jagir for ridding out the district from troublesome Madrecha Chauhans. His descendants fought several times against Mughals with Maharanas of Mewar. From Roopnagar, Solankis spread throughout the Mewar and Marwar.
    Descendants of the Anhilwara Solankis ruled the state of Rewa, in the Bagelkhand region, the eastern part of present-day Madhya Pradesh. Vyaghra Deo, brother of the King of Gujarat, moved to Bagelkhand in the middle of the twelfth century, and obtained the fortress of Marpha, 18 miles northeast of Kalinjar. His son Karandeo married a Kalchuri (Haihaya) princess of Mandla, and received the fortress of Bandogarh as her dowry. Bandogarh served as the seat of the Solankis of Bagelkhand until its destruction by the Mughal emperor Akbar in 1597. After the destruction of Bandogargh, the Solankis moved their capital to Rewa. From 1812 to 1947 the Solanki rajas of Rewa ruled the princely state of that name, within British India. In 1947, the last Raja of Rewa acceded to newly-independent India.

    Solanki rulers of Gujarat
    • Mulraj I (942/960-995/997).
    • Chamundaraj (c.995 -c.1010)
    • Vallabharaj (c.1010)
    • Durlabhraj (1009-1021).
    • Bhimdev I (1021-1063). Son of Naagraj and Nephew of Durlabhraj.
    • Karnadev I (1063-1093). Son of Bhimdev I.
    • "Siddhraj" Jaysinh I (1093-1143)
    • Kumarpal (1143-1173). Descendant of Karandev I.
    • Ajavapal. Nephew of Kumarpal. (c.1171-c.1176)
    • Mulraj II (c.1176-c.1178)
    • Bhimdev II (c.1178-1242).
    • Jaysinh II (c. 1223) -co-ruler of Bhimdev II
    • Tribuvanpal (1242-1244)
    Notes
    1. ^ The Chalukyas of Gujarat were of Karnataka origin, Dr. Suryanath U. Kamath (2001), A Concise History of Karnataka from pre-historic times to the present, Jupiter books, MCC (Reprinted 2002), p8

    References
    • Dr. Suryanath U. Kamath (2001). A Concise History of Karnataka from pre-historic times to the present, Jupiter books, MCC, Bangalore (Reprinted 2002), OCLC: 7796041
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    I think Gujarat fits better

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    I second that notion


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