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    from reformislam.org

    OUR GOALS


    • to educate Muslims about dangers presented by Islamic religious texts and why Islam must be reformed
    • to educate non-Muslims about the differences between moderate Muslims and Islamists (a.k.a. Islamic Religious Fanatics, Radical Muslims, Muslim Fundamentalists, Islamic Extremists or Islamofascists)
    • to educate both Muslims and non-Muslims alike that Moderate Muslims are also targets of Islamic Terror

    OUR MANIFESTO


    Acknowledging mistakes
    The majority of the terrorist acts of the last three decades, including the 9/11 attacks, were perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists in the name of Islam. We, as Muslims, find it abhorrent that Islam is used to murder millions of innocent people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

    Inconsistencies in the Koran
    Unfortunately, Islamic religious texts, including the Koran and the Hadith contain many passages, which call for Islamic domination and incite violence against non-Muslims. It is time to change that. Muslim fundamentalists believe that the Koran is the literal word of Allah. But could Allah, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate, command mass slaughter of people whose only fault is being non-Muslim?

    The Koran & the Bible
    Many Bible figures from Adam to Jesus (Isa) are considered to be prophets and are respected by Islam. Islamic scholars however believe that both the Old and the New Testament came from God, but that they were corrupted by the Jews and Christians over time. While neither Testament calls for mass murder of unbelievers, the Koran does. Could it be possible that the Koran itself was corrupted by Muslims over the last thirteen centuries?

    The need for reform
    Islam, in its present form, is not compatible with principles of freedom and democracy. Twenty-first century Muslims have two options: we can continue the barbaric policies of the seventh century perpetuated by Hassan al-Banna, Abdullah Azzam, Yassir Arafat, Ruhollah Khomeini, Osama bin Laden, Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, Hizballah, Hamas, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, etc., leading to a global war between Dar al-Islam (Islamic World) and Dar al-Harb (non-Islamic World), or we can reform Islam to keep our rich cultural heritage and to cleanse our religion from the reviled relics of the past. We, as Muslims who desire to live in harmony with people of other religions, agnostics, and atheists choose the latter option. We can no longer allow Islamic extremists to use our religion as a weapon. We must protect future generations of Muslims from being brainwashed by the Islamic radicals. If we do not stop the spread of Islamic fundamentalism, our children will become homicidal zombies.

    Accepting responsibilities
    To start the healing process, we must acknowledge evils done by Muslims in the name of Islam and accept responsibility for those evils. We must remove "evil" passages from Islamic religious texts, so that future generations of Muslims will not be confused by conflicting messages. Our religious message should be loud and clear: Islam is peace; Islam is love; Islam is light. War, murder, violence, divisiveness & discrimination are not Islamic values.

    Religious privacy
    Religion is the private matter of every individual. Any person should be able to freely practice any religion as long as the practice does not interfere with the local laws, and no person must be forced to practice any religion. Just as people are created equal, there is no one religion that is superior to another. Any set of beliefs that is spread by force is fundamentally immoral; it is no longer a religion, but a political ideology.

    Equality
    Islam is one of the many of the world's religions. There will be no Peace and Harmony in the World if Muslims and non-Muslims do not have equal rights. Islamic supremacy doctrine is just as repulsive as Aryan supremacy doctrine. History clearly shows what happens to the society whose members consider themselves above other peoples. All moderate Muslims must repudiate the mere notion of Islamic supremacy(interesting,islam is no longer surpreme. all hail kufr!)

    Sharia
    Sharia Law must be abolished, because it is incompatible with norms of modern society.

    Outdated practices
    Any practices that might have been acceptable in the Seventh Century; i.e., stoning, cutting off body parts, marrying and/or having sex with children or animals, must be condemned by every Muslim.

    Outdated verses
    The following verses promote divisiveness and religious hatred, bigotry and discrimination. They must be either removed from the Koran or declared outdated and invalid, and marked as such.

    Outdated words & phrases
    Use of the following words and phrases or their variations must be prohibited during religious services:
    • Infidel / Unbeliever: these terms have negative connotation and promote divisiveness and animosity; Islam is not the only religion
    • Jihad: this word is often interpreted as Holy War against non-Muslims
    • Mujaheed/Holy Warrior: no more wars in the name of Islam
    • American (Christian / Crusader / Israeli / Zionist) occupation: these terms promote bigotry; at this point in time, Muslims living in non-Muslim lands have more freedoms than Muslims living in Muslim lands

    Islam vs. violence
    Islam has no place for violence. Any person calling for an act of violence in the name of Islam must be promptly excommunicated. Any grievances must be addressed by lawful authorities. It is the religious and civic duty of every Muslim to unconditionally condemn any act of terrorism perpetrated in the name of Islam. Any Muslim group that has ties to terrorism in any way, shape, or form, must be universally condemned by both religious and secular Muslims.

    Portrayal of Prophets
    While portrayal of Prophets is not an acceptable practice in Islam could be personally offensive to some Muslims, other religions do not have such restrictions. Therefore, the portrayal of the Prophets must be treated as a manifestation of free expression.

    The Crusades vs. The Inquisition
    While the Inquisition was a repulsive practice by Christian Fundamentalists, the Crusades were not unprovoked acts of aggression, but rather attempts to recapture formerly Christian lands controlled by Muslims.


    Brothers and Sisters!
    Do not make the next generation of Muslims clean up your mess!
    Fight Islamic Fascism now, so your children won't have to


    http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot...1_archive.html

    very very disgusting. is this the new "enlightened" islam the crap the prophet is trying to promote?





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    Everything that these people say is correct, and I applaud them.. except this:

    The Crusades vs. The Inquisition
    While the Inquisition was a repulsive practice by Christian Fundamentalists, the Crusades were not unprovoked acts of aggression, but rather attempts to recapture formerly Christian lands controlled by Muslims.
    Naturally, like most turds, this one sunk to the bottom of the homepage. That automatically reveals this is the christian site and not a genuine Muslim one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet View Post
    Everything that these people say is correct, and I applaud them.. except this:



    Naturally, like most turds, this one sunk to the bottom of the homepage. That automatically reveals this is the christian site and not a genuine Muslim one.
    no muslims against shariah is an actual group

    • American (Christian / Crusader / Israeli / Zionist) occupation: these terms promote bigotry; at this point in time, Muslims living in non-Muslim lands have more freedoms than Muslims living in Muslim lands

    Portrayal of Prophets
    While portrayal of Prophets is not an acceptable practice in Islam could be personally offensive to some Muslims, other religions do not have such restrictions. Therefore, the portrayal of the Prophets must be treated as a manifestation of free expression.

    Muslim fundamentalists believe that the Koran is the literal word of Allah.

    according to a poll 20% of muslims want them to be beheaded. lol
    Last edited by Mansa musa; December 08, 2007 at 02:59 PM.





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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet View Post
    Naturally, like most turds, this one sunk to the bottom of the homepage. That automatically reveals this is the christian site and not a genuine Muslim one.
    So those lands weren't formerly ruled by the Byzantines - that's what you're saying? In fact it was ruled by a secret Muslim faction within the Byzantine Empire who disguised themselves as Orthodox Christians to fool dogs into raping their mothers?
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    Misguided on some points, but otherwise having genuine desire for peace and reconciliation within religion. Personally, I believe the above is easy gained without need for clipping out parts of the Quran.

    What is needed is a complete overhaul of traditional outlooks on how Shariah works, its requirements, and how to interpret the Classical Arabic that is so misunderstood by Arabic speakers today.

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    to educate Muslims about dangers presented by Islamic religious texts and why Islam must be reformed
    i read that as
    "try to pretend those nasty bits our religion was founded on don't exist"
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    The site is a bit juvenile in its approach. In truth, all the problems we have derive from faulty interpretation built upon further faulty interpretation.

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    If only more muslims were "Islamic uncle toms". But wait! We have the 99% of muslims who are peaceful! Therefore we have nothing to worry about.

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    I'm sure that those most likely to be guilty of following Islam's more backward rules (like beheading and stoning and lashing) all have easy access to this website. Whereas the moderate more modern Muslims who do actually believe what is in the web page have no access to it ...
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    these are not moderate muslims. they are RADICAL muslims. because there ideas are radical just like zawahiri bin laden. RADICAL. not moderate. RADICAL. they support israel. they supported the iraq war and they support an iran war. there even for gay marriage believe it or not. I guess some neoconservatives thought it would be best to replace the 5 point star with a 6 point start and put a cross through the crescent.

    barbaric policies of Hizb ut tahrir? these guys are clowns
    Last edited by Mansa musa; December 08, 2007 at 05:42 PM.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    these are not moderate muslims. they are RADICAL muslims. because there ideas are radical just like zawahiri bin laden. RADICAL. not moderate. RADICAL. they support israel. they supported the iraq war and they support an iran war. there even for gay marriage believe it or not. I guess some neoconservatives thought it would be best to replace the 5 point star with a 6 point start and put a cross through the crescent.

    barbaric policies of Hizb ut tahrir? these guys are clowns
    Swap 'moderate' for 'sensible', 'modern' or 'civilised' then ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Swap 'moderate' for 'sensible', 'modern' or 'civilised' then ...
    what are you talking about? the guy said that muslims started the crusades and that the Qur'an is not the word of Allah. that's not sensible at all. that's heretical.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    what are you talking about? the guy said that muslims started the crusades and that the Qur'an is not the word of Allah. that's not sensible at all. that's heretical.
    1) I only hope that the Quran is not in fact the word of Allah - and so would any sane person.

    2) The Crusades whilst not started by Islam, were certainly partly to blame on Islamic aggression in previous centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    1) I only hope that the Quran is not in fact the word of Allah - and so would any sane person.

    2) The Crusades whilst not started by Islam, were certainly partly to blame on Islamic aggression in previous centuries.
    1)it doesn't matter what you think. according to muslims the Qur'an IS the words of allah. not muslim fundementalists. muslims. all muslims

    2)ok...then why did they attack jerusalem? wouldn't they have lead a crusade against the turks or the moors?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    from reformislam.org



    http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot...1_archive.html

    very very disgusting. is this the new "enlightened" islam the crap the prophet is trying to promote?
    The prophet is dead. His promoting days are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    The prophet is dead. His promoting days are over.
    I am not!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    what are you talking about? the guy said that muslims started the crusades and that the Qur'an is not the word of Allah. that's not sensible at all. that's heretical.

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    Uncles Tom's thats a pretty loaded word
    I find most people irritating
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sosobra View Post
    Uncles Tom's thats a pretty loaded word
    I'm afraid Mansa Musa is only capable of cheap intellectual terrorist tactics like that.

    He knows, just as any fundamentalist does, that the greatest threat to Islamism are Muslims themselves. A vast majority of Muslims don't really believe their holy books and definitely don't practice the values it espouses. They just say their Muslim for cultural and tribal reasons.

    Muslims are slowly being secularised as we speak. The basic fact that Mansa Musa, the 17 year old American, is chatting everyday with us and being exposed to secular and atheist thought is a good indication. Sooner or later more and more Muslims will gain access to the internet and will start learning more about the secular real world (along with looking up "bird sex" ) and will naturally shift towards a more secular understanding of the world.

    By 21 years of age Mansa Musa will become an atheist. Don't fight it mansa, its inevitable.
    Last edited by The Prophet; December 08, 2007 at 06:43 PM.

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    Yeah and unfortunately for you there were two more in that list, and many, many more which Google can easily find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Yeah and unfortunately for you there were two more in that list, and many, many more which Google can easily find.
    shaun. please. tell me where the Qur'an states we can kill civilians.

    Saheeh Muslim

    Book 019, Hadith Number 4319.

    Chapter : Prohibition of killing women and children in war.

    It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.





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