Difference between university upgraded arty and non upgraded

**Don in the North** · December 08, 2007, 10:03 AM

like the title says

so ive just completed a university in the town where i hold the alchemists HQ, and i check the stats between a culverin with upgraded weapons (alchemistlab-university upgrade) against a non upgraded one, and i see absolutely no difference in stats at all.

can anyone tell me if the upgrade actually does anything or is it another waste of time like the explorers guild HQ india trade route?

**craziii** · December 08, 2007, 10:49 AM

more experience = more accuracy when it is firing. same with archers or gun powder infantry.

**Ged** · December 08, 2007, 10:55 AM

Methoughts it boosted the defence and attack stats as a whole by one, but I could be wrong don't y'know.

**Old Geezer** · December 08, 2007, 11:11 AM

I got some level 7 and 8 culverins in a Spanish Americas campaign and could not see any improved accuracy. I'm not sure that experience from battle helps accuracy. Maybe initial training does. Is there any official word?

**pwijnands** · December 08, 2007, 11:11 AM

The explorer guild isn't completely useless. It gives your admirals and characters decent ancillaries which increase movement points.

**Don in the North** · December 08, 2007, 08:48 PM

im talking about the HQ's supposed india trade route not the guild itself. i rather enjoy having the increased movepoints in conjunction with movepoint increasing retinue

also, im not talking about experience,

im talking about the WEAPON upgrade.

alchemist LAB(lvl 3 building is university for italian states)[not the guild!] = upgrades weapons on artillery.

the question i ask, is what it really does, as i see zero difference in stats between a culverin with upgraded WEAPONS and a culverin without the upgrade.

**Old Geezer** · December 11, 2007, 07:04 AM

I thought the alchemist labs give more experience to artillery like the jousting lists give to cavalry.

**Don in the North** · December 11, 2007, 07:55 AM

nah, coz i got the alchemist HQ, and that gives +2 experience globaly, but retraining the arty in any town, whether it has University or not, only goes to 2, if it did give experience it would go to 3 chevrons

the uni retraining gives it the little sword above where the armor icon would be in its unit icon, but changes no stat and as far as i can see, has no effect in battle with accuracy or damage or range

**Captain Spanky** · December 11, 2007, 08:29 AM

I believe it improves the melee stats of the artillery crew. I had an alchemists lab so I could upgrade the weapons of my arqubusiers, only to find it actually improved their melee attack, not ranged. It's completely useless...

**Don in the North** · December 11, 2007, 07:32 PM

such sad words you speak.

i wonder can you mod the weapon-upgrade effects from lab/uni to increase range by like 10-20mtrs?

**Old Geezer** · December 12, 2007, 06:59 AM

If the university give a sword to the artillery unit then shouldn't it have an increased attack? If no stats are changed what could be increased? Morale? Accuracy? Or, range? What else is there?

**Don in the North** · December 12, 2007, 07:18 AM

yeah it should, but thats the reason im posting ; its not giving any extra attack values, and i havent noticed any increase in accuracy, unless its a really really small amount.

its not range cuz they all shoot at same time (non swordupgraded and upgraded)

im gonna have to go with increased mellee attack, seeing as normally swordsmith upgrades increase mellee for mellee units giving them the sword in their unit card, that the sword would accidently mean the same for arty units.

**Captain Spanky** · December 12, 2007, 08:02 AM

Well I am talking from personal experience, which was with arqubusiers, who did have a +1 to their melee stats. However, I dont believe the melee stats for artillery crews are actually visible, so they could recieve that upgrade and not even know it.

**Old Geezer** · December 12, 2007, 11:18 AM

I think don776 must be correct and that it increases the melee attack. If so then those buildings are rather useless except to help your gunner and musketeer melee, but the cost isn't worth it to me. I can't think of a lower priority than increasing the melee attack of gunpowder units.

**Don in the North** · December 12, 2007, 09:19 PM

they are supposed to increase traits and ancillarys for generals, like physicians and gunner captains etc etc, but unfortunatly for me ive yet to gain anything other than 1 or 2 traits.
no ancillarys as yet.

perhaps some modder could tell us if its possible to mod the effect of the upgrade to increase range or accuracy , specificly for arty units retrained in a town with lab/uni, rather than have it upgrade its melee capability which is obsolete in the most obscene fashion?