should turkey be allowed into the EU

[lord_IRNBRU]

ok this threaed is to discuss if turkey should be allowed into the EU

(i think there is no other thread like this so fingers crossed)

[conon394]

Seems like it should pretty much be up to the existing members.

Is there anything in the EU existing rules/constitution that says any nation with land in Europe as to be let it?

[lord_IRNBRU]

Seems like it should pretty much be up to the existing members.

Is there anything in the EU existing rules/constitution that says any nation with land in Europe as to be let it?

the main problem is they would come to britain and milk the system

[Lord de Lyonesse]

the main problem is they would come to britain and milk the system

What part of the E.U doesnt "milk" Britain. Britain is the biggest contributer to the whole flawed thing. As you can probably tell i am Europsceptic however i really feel that Britain shouldnt become Europes source for there pocket money, in my opinion i feel that we should bring ourselves closer to the Commonwealth and cut of political links with the E.U as it will eventually turn into a super bloc.

And no Turkey shouldnt even be included as the city of Istanbul is actually in Constantinople which was captured from the Greeks (really it should be handed back).


In fact i think that the Greeks would actually be a bit insulted as they entered the Union to protect them from Turkish aggresion, and i as a Greekophile feel it should be protected.

[Thorn777]

What part of the E.U doesnt "milk" Britain. Britain is the biggest contributer to the whole flawed thing. As you can probably tell i am Europsceptic however i really feel that Britain shouldnt become Europes source for there pocket money, in my opinion i feel that we should bring ourselves closer to the Commonwealth and cut of political links with the E.U as it will eventually turn into a super bloc.

And no Turkey shouldnt even be included as the city of Istanbul is actually in Constantinople which was captured from the Greeks (really it should be handed back).


In fact i think that the Greeks would actually be a bit insulted as they entered the Union to protect them from Turkish aggresion, and i as a Greekophile feel it should be protected.

Your post is an epic fail. Learn, read, inform yourself at all costs........

[Lord de Lyonesse]

Your post is an epic fail. Learn, read, inform yourself at all costs........

how is it an epic fail? im just making my point its harsh that Turkey want to join an organisation there not even in the geography to do it, its like Ireland wanting to become part of russia just no point..

[dogukan]

And no Turkey shouldnt even be included as the city of Istanbul is actually in Constantinople which was captured from the Greeks (really it should be handed back).


In fact i think that the Greeks would actually be a bit insulted as they entered the Union to protect them from Turkish aggresion, and i as a Greekophile feel it should be protected.

pheeeeew...there are some real weird people on earth.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

pheeeeew...there are some real weird people on earth.

Says a person called doukan...

[Xerrop]

...the city of Istanbul is actually in Constantinople which was captured from the Greeks (really it should be handed back).

giving a city with nearly ten million turks to Greece (beside I don´t think that Greece will accept this) - then we would already have a turkish muslim state under our 25 EU-members

[Thorn777]

What part of the E.U doesnt "milk" Britain. 1.Britain is the biggest contributer to the whole flawed thing. As you can probably tell i am Europsceptic however i really feel that Britain shouldnt become Europes source for there pocket money, in my opinion i feel that we should 2.bring ourselves closer to the Commonwealth and 3.cut of political links with the E.U as it will eventually turn into a super bloc.

And no Turkey shouldnt even be included as the city of Istanbul is actually in Constantinople which was captured from the Greeks (really it should be handed back).


In fact i think that the Greeks would actually be a bit insulted as they entered the Union to protect them from Turkish aggresion, and i as a Greekophile feel it should be protected.

1.The UK is by far not the biggest contributer financially, it actually pays less then they are supposed to the contribution formular. Germany, Holland and the Scandinavian countrys pay more then the UK, some others equally.
2.Sounds like really past British-empire nostalgica.
3.Yeah thats.........really......

The rest has been answerd by our Turkish friends.....

Fact is, the EU doesnt need a UK acting like it has in the last decade. So if youll godda go, no one will cry over it.

[Lorgan]

Fact is, the EU doesnt need a UK acting like it has in the last decade. So if youll godda go, no one will cry over it.

I agree completely, the EU doesn't need the UK anymore, the UK needs the EU. Just leave and continue to be a puppet of the USA without us...
I like the UK a lot, and of course they contribute to the EU - as do all members - but when I read some of the comments from these anti-EU fools who seem to still be living 50 years ago, I really lose all hope in human intellect.
A globalized world simply calls for bigger political entities, there's nothing you can do about that, you must adapt or die (die is of course a bit of an overstatement, but I'm sure you all know what I mean).

[Lord de Lyonesse]

Fact is, the EU doesnt need a UK

Umm yes the E.U needs the U.K more then ever as you recieve aid in terms of learning off the SAS the greatest special opts in the world...

[czePowerslave]

Seems like it should pretty much be up to the existing members.

Is there anything in the EU existing rules/constitution that says any nation with land in Europe as to be let it?

EU constitution is dead and thats for good now, needs MUCH and MUCH of revision

[Keravnos]

My personal opinion is that Turkey should be admitted into the European Union, once all unresolved issues are over and done with.

What does EU have to gain from admitting Turkey?
-A LOT. I imagine a lot of you have played Mount and Blade.
http://www.taleworlds.com/
It has started as a project of a household. A man and his wife coding and painting have been the driving force behind this magnificent game. Now, imagine that kind of energy and drive from dedicated software teams, not just a household. Imagine that drive, not in just computer games but also on other aspects of economy.
-Border security. I am a Greek and I can't deny the fact that EU's eastern borders would be secured. That means no Greek-Turkey war, which can only be good. Although I am not really expecting a post WW2 France-Germany style approach in my lifetime, I think we can get there.
-Cheap and educated work force, which is something EU is going to lack in the following decades. There will be those fitting the criteria, but they will be outside of EU.
-A stable solution to the Cyprus issue, when this is resolved. This alone would be worth the price of admition. It needs to be fair, and it needs to be longlasting. We need to be able to solve this once and for all.

What does Turkey have to gain from being admitted into EU? A safer economy, not bound to the ups and downs and monetary crises. A tolerance principle that EU has, which will only improve life on everyday level. A more effective way of being governed, that is of course if the Turkish society is prepared to sacrifice some "untouchable" institutions, which are part of the 19th century, not the 21st. My personal view, as a Greek, is that this is the only way to go. Failing EU's entrance means a vicious circle of increasing poverty for the ever increasing population, which in turn leads to an unstable society. There are only so many who can be turned into immigrants and more and more countries aren't as welcoming as they used to. Then there is only offensive war, and that would be hell for all involved parties. Not just the country that is going to be attacked.

Turks as a nation, for all their advantages are very xenophobic, and I don't think they can be blamed as in 1919-1921 basically all the world had turned against Turkey, with everyone (but the USSR) after a piece of it. I think, however that this perception has gone on long enough. Nobody is threatening Turkey. The skirmishes on its eastern frontiers have nothing to do with Europe, nor are they serious enough (my own perception of the situation- I might be mistaken).

I guess the question is simple. Does Turkey and its ruling class want it to be feared or respected? Because if Turkey wants to be feared, then there is no place for Turkey in EU. If Turkey wants to be respected, something that Turkey has earned, in Tourism, Business, Science and now Football, then I guess the road to take is obvious.

[czePowerslave]

-Cheap and educated work force, which is something EU is going to lack in the following decades. There will be those fitting the criteria, but they will be outside of EU.
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I think we more fear this actually. I did not study 4 year high school and then 5 year university just to be replaced by someone who works for half I would like to gain lol!

[white-wolf]

My personal opinion is that Turkey should be admitted into the European Union, once all unresolved issues are over and done with.

What does EU have to gain from admitting Turkey?
-A LOT. I imagine a lot of you have played Mount and Blade.
http://www.taleworlds.com/
It has started as a project of a household. A man and his wife coding and painting have been the driving force behind this magnificent game. Now, imagine that kind of energy and drive from dedicated software teams, not just a household. Imagine that drive, not in just computer games but also on other aspects of economy.
-Border security. I am a Greek and I can't deny the fact that EU's eastern borders would be secured. That means no Greek-Turkey war, which can only be good. Although I am not really expecting a post WW2 France-Germany style approach in my lifetime, I think we can get there.
-Cheap and educated work force, which is something EU is going to lack in the following decades. There will be those fitting the criteria, but they will be outside of EU.
-A stable solution to the Cyprus issue, when this is resolved. This alone would be worth the price of admition. It needs to be fair, and it needs to be longlasting. We need to be able to solve this once and for all.

What does Turkey have to gain from being admitted into EU? A safer economy, not bound to the ups and downs and monetary crises. A tolerance principle that EU has, which will only improve life on everyday level. A more effective way of being governed, that is of course if the Turkish society is prepared to sacrifice some "untouchable" institutions, which are part of the 19th century, not the 21st. My personal view, as a Greek, is that this is the only way to go. Failing EU's entrance means a vicious circle of increasing poverty for the ever increasing population, which in turn leads to an unstable society. There are only so many who can be turned into immigrants and more and more countries aren't as welcoming as they used to. Then there is only offensive war, and that would be hell for all involved parties. Not just the country that is going to be attacked.

Turks as a nation, for all their advantages are very xenophobic, and I don't think they can be blamed as in 1919-1921 basically all the world had turned against Turkey, with everyone (but the USSR) after a piece of it. I think, however that this perception has gone on long enough. Nobody is threatening Turkey. The skirmishes on its eastern frontiers have nothing to do with Europe, nor are they serious enough (my own perception of the situation- I might be mistaken).

I guess the question is simple. Does Turkey and its ruling class want it to be feared or respected? Because if Turkey wants to be feared, then there is no place for Turkey in EU. If Turkey wants to be respected, something that Turkey has earned, in Tourism, Business, Science and now Football, then I guess the road to take is obvious.

A very good and objective post.

I can put my signature under it.

[ProneStar!]

since greece can be in nato, more than likely someone will figure out a way to get them in if they want it.

[lord_IRNBRU]

but greece is completely different they are a key part of european civilisation.

[ProneStar!]

but greece is completely different they are a key part of european civilisation.

that has nothing to do with them being in nato

[lord_IRNBRU]

that has nothing to do with them being in nato

i was talking about the EU not NATO

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