The best of Bizantium

**King of Portugal** · December 07, 2007, 08:57 AM

In the vanilla MIITW the Varanguian Guard kiked everyone's ass. What about in SS5.1?
If they are no longer the best infantry the empire has to offer then who is it?

**tup** · December 07, 2007, 09:01 AM

The german equivalents are stronger. Which means the HRE Dismounted Gothic Knights and teutonic Dismounted Halbbrüder. The irish ones too, I think.

**Landwalker** · December 07, 2007, 12:42 PM

Since I have apparently been designated as the Unofficial SS Subforum Grammar Nazi™, I feel compelled to take this opportunity to fulfill my obligations in that capacity:

Originally Posted by Original Post, With Corrections in Red

The best of Byzantium

In the vanilla MIITW the Varanguian Guard kicked everyone's (unnecessary space after the apostrophe eliminated) ass. What about in SS5.1?
If they are no longer the best infantry the empire has to offer then who is it?

With that out of the way, Varangian Guard are still, probably, the best heavy infantry on the Byzantine roster. However, Dismounted Latinkon are very nice, and Alamanoi, although not the best, are still a nice option sheerly by virtue of being produced in cities instead of castles. Between Dismounted Latinkon, Pronoia Infantry, Varangian Guard, Alamanoi, and Guard Pikemen, the Byzantines have one of the strongest infantry rosters in the game.

That said, they do not have the single best infantry unit. Dismounted Gothic Knights are absolutely absurd, and thus probably take the title of best infantry unit in the game. Dismounted Halbrudder are also better than Varangian Guard. Varangian Guard also lose (not by much) in a straight-up throw down to Muire, the Irish sword-and-shield heavy infantry with two hit points.

Cheers.

**y2day** · December 07, 2007, 12:48 PM

Grammer Nazi.

A southerner that says cheers, I still haven't gotten use to that.

j/k

Dismounted Gothic Knights kick butt.

**King of Portugal** · December 08, 2007, 08:58 AM

Tanks for correcting me Landwalker. I'm not a lousy typist but I was writing in a hurry.
About the real reason for this discussion I only have to say that any professional infantry that uses long swords or long battle axes beats the living hell out of anything else.
By the way do Latinkon defeat Hashashim?

**Sher Khan** · December 07, 2007, 08:24 PM

Actually, Dismounted Hasham with an armor upgrade can soundly beat Dismounted Gothic Knights.

And every other heavy infantry I've tried so far.

**tup** · December 08, 2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sher Khan

Actually, Dismounted Hasham with an armor upgrade can soundly beat Dismounted Gothic Knights.

And every other heavy infantry I've tried so far.

Couldn't believe that, just tried it out and my Dismounted Hasham routed on 5 men left, with ~30-35 Dismounted Gothic Knights left.

**Point Blank** · December 08, 2007, 05:38 AM

Try them versus Dismounted Imperial Knight with armor upgrade.

**Point Blank** · December 08, 2007, 10:29 AM

In RC, axes and maces are superior to swords versus any armor 7 (heavy mail) or above, and superior to longswords versus armor 8 and above.

Note that Dismounted Hasham are a special unit, that has an additional +1 attack and defense as well.

**whhyy** · December 08, 2007, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Point Blank

In RC, axes and maces are superior to swords versus any armor 7 (heavy mail) or above, and superior to longswords versus armor 8 and above.

Note that Dismounted Hasham are a special unit, that has an additional +1 attack and defense as well.

Why are JHI not the best anymore?? I'm not going to contest it - I just want to know why.