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    Default Darfur: No One Cares

    The title may be a little general but I believe it to be correct for basically...everyone (another generalization).

    I've taken this from the Helios 21 because I thought that some of you would have certain opinions about what I said. I asked my international conflict teacher about it and he said that he believed that I was, unfortunately, right. Anyway, feel free to comment!

    In my international conflict class we talked about peace keeping and so we watched some Frontline videos about Darfur. After seeing the horrific crimes that took place, are still taking place over there, and the absolute failure of the UN to do anything substantial about it over many years, we (the class) started to talk about all of the politics involved in the situation. Some of my classmates gave an opinion similar to this: The world's governments are only looking after themselves and their own interests. Not the interests of Darfur and the region.

    What I failed to bring up during the class (as to not sound like a complete ass) was that we are all basically the same. While my classmates called the world governments hypocrites, I found those making those accusations to be the same. While governments "only" care about their economic and security interests, the average world citizen (and in this example, my classmates) does the same. They "only" care about paying bills and making sure they aren't in danger. So why get so mad at certain nations for not responding to the genocide in Darfur? Obviously we all know the answer. They have the means to actually do something about it.

    That point is well made, but I don't find it very convincing in the long run. Sure, the US (to be the example) definitely has the military capabilities to stop the genocide in Darfur and the region, but this is not a perfect world. We (the US [or any other country]) will not send a massive foreign force into the region (at least as the situation feels right now). But I'm tired of arguing intervening or not for arguments sake, because that will go on forever. My argument is against the hypocrisy, or perhaps a better way to put it would be, the political and moral opinion of the genocide in Darfur and what to do about it.

    I saw a girl on campus wearing a shirt that said, "I helped stop the genocide in Darfur", the other day. I couldn't believe it. Here she is in college, thousands of miles away in Texas, and she has the nerve to wear something like that. I don't know what she did. She probably gave money. But seriously, if she really cared about Darfur then she would be over there right now, in the thick of it all trying to save the lives of those in Darfur and the region first hand. Now, some of you might say something like, "Well LR, isn't that a bit much to ask of a college student? She has enough to worry about herself."

    If some of you would say that, I'd agree...for the most part, but let me say this. You've got a college student worrying about paying rent, buying her books, and studying for tests. Hell, she might even have a job. Sounds tough, right? On the other hand you've got a woman in Darfur with three kids and a husband. They hardly have enough to eat as it is, they live a harder life everyday, harder than our college girl would even dream of having, and on top of these hardships, Islamic camel riders want to kill her husband, cut the penises off her male children, and gang rape her. So, who has more of a cause to be worried about there life? The college student or the family in Darfur? We know the answer. Shouldn't it be the moral duty of the college student to help out the family in Darfur all she can? Besides, how selfish would it be to give maybe...$20 to "Help save Darfur"...and then on the weekend get absolutely drunk, not giving a damn where that money went? I would think it would be pretty damn selfish.

    Do I sound like an ass yet? No you know why I didn't say this in class. But to my overall point. No one cares about Darfur. Seriously, you've got able governments not intervening, multi-millionaires (actors especially) making speeches saying things like, "You guys can help. You can stop the genocide", and then they'll jump on their private jet back to LA to continue shooting their latest movie, and then you've got people like the college girl who gave some money for the cause. Supposedly there is global outrage but if there was such a thing in such a magnitude, the troubles in Darfur would have ended a long damn time ago. No one cares.

    But what about me? Well, I bet some of you who have read this far into this little opinion I've written have figured it out. I don't care about Darfur either. It sounds like an evil thing to say but if you get right down to the argument, it's the truth. Do I think that the thousands getting slaughtered and millions being forced to become refugees is a horrible thing? Yes, I most certainly do, but in the end I'd rather go watch the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl than "help" the cause. I am guilty of being immoral and unkind to the world community. There, I've said it.

    But guess what? You all are guilty too. As you sit there reading this opinion of mine, believing me to be an uncaring, insensitive, and altogether head case, you are being as equally inactive and indecisive in the crisis as I. I'm not bashing you. I'm just telling the truth. So no one cares about Darfur. We've all got more "important" things to worry about, right? Well, no, but at the end of the day our actions of going through our daily routine will give a resounding "yes". So don't get mad at governments for not acting on the situation, because they actually do have more of an argument for not intervening. The US has a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan to fix (and it seems it is being done), Canadians want their fisheries clear of Americans, the French have a plethora of domestic issues to sort out, and I could go on. You all get the point.

    When it comes to Darfur, no one cares. It's sad, but it is the truth.

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    I was gonna be a smart ass and say no one cares about this thread, but I share the sentiment here.

    Our society has been modeled into a culture of convenience, where we are so detached from the rest of the world, yet live on yesterday's successes believing it will carry into tomorrow's world. Not true. I saw a commercial with the successes of American minds, like electricity, television, yada yada, moon landing, insulin and whatever right? The point of the commercial, man's next greatest step: a ****ing razor. Shaving technology has never come so far!

    If that is not indicative of our reality today, then I don't know what is. And really, every war in the last two hundred years or so by the Western nations have been touted as pro-democracy, pro-freedom, but of course that's rubbish. Utter tosh. Nothing is done in politics without either monetary or economic incentive.

    Darfur is non-existent because they have nothing to offer, and they have no Chalabi of their own. And it is a sad truth, a pathetic truth that we can go to war and call it as something progressive and pro-Western, yet in the nitty-gritty, is entirely a form of imperialism.
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    As I said in another thread people choose a certain group to care for and ignore everyone else. Its sad that Turkey's possbile invasion of Iraq gets more atention then Darfur which has seen at least 200,000 people massacred. Also the fact that people care more about insulting Turkey's government then Sudan's government is disturbing.

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    Well, same things also happen in many different countries today, or in past. For example, how many people really cared about Rwanda Genocide?? And the First Congo and Second Congo War?? How many people cared about the crazy and bloody civil wars fighting in different African countries now?? No one. As long as it would not affect our life, no one would really care about them.

    That is the human nature, and it keeps us out of troubles many times.

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    I completely agree with you, Lord Rahl.

    As an individual, I care about the plight of the people, but not to such an extent that I am over there actively helping.

    As a person who is eventually going to be in the military, I can say I don't give two cents about Darfur, because you know what? I don't want to get killed for some stupid country halfway around the globe, because no matter what we do, there is always going to be wars and genocide and mass starvation.

    So to all those people who are angry we're not doing stuff to help the people in Darfur, all I say to them is: Fine. Go grab a gun and start walking out there. You want to help, start shooting the Islamic Raiders murdering everyone.

    If not, shut the hell up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    I completely agree with you, Lord Rahl.

    As an individual, I care about the plight of the people, but not to such an extent that I am over there actively helping.

    As a person who is eventually going to be in the military, I can say I don't give two cents about Darfur, because you know what? I don't want to get killed for some stupid country halfway around the globe, because no matter what we do, there is always going to be wars and genocide and mass starvation.

    So to all those people who are angry we're not doing stuff to help the people in Darfur, all I say to them is: Fine. Go grab a gun and start walking out there. You want to help, start shooting the Islamic Raiders murdering everyone.

    If not, shut the hell up.
    Strange how different this mentality becomes when Iraq enters the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet View Post
    Strange how different this mentality becomes when Iraq enters the equation.
    Except I don't care about the Iraqi people either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    As a person who is eventually going to be in the military, I can say I don't give two cents about Darfur, because you know what? I don't want to get killed for some stupid country halfway around the globe, because no matter what we do, there is always going to be wars and genocide and mass starvation.
    Well, don't worry, most government nowaday are very paranoid about the death of soldiers under military operation.

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    If anyone really wants to help Darfur they should give it the William Walker treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    If anyone really wants to help Darfur they should give it the William Walker treatment.
    What, conquer Darfur?

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    OK Kewl.

    As long as you're being consistent.

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    Default Re: Darfur: No One Cares

    I don't care about either as well. However, I just wish the Iraqis would just stop screwing around and accept the gov they have and quit killing each other and our troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev-o View Post
    I don't care about either as well. However, I just wish the Iraqis would just stop screwing around and accept the gov they have and quit killing each other and our troops.
    Who says they're screwing around?

    Stop looking at the world through those red-white-&-blue glasses. It makes you look foolish.

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    :hm: Three colors for two lens

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    Default Re: Darfur: No One Cares

    No sense in doing that.

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    I'd be fine with picketing the country. If no new ammunition or weapons get in eventually they'll just stop killing each other. Or, they'll just revert back to spears, either way...
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    Agree, although melee fight involves far less death (around 1 out of 10 people die).

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    Well, the US can't save and defend the entire world you know. Every time it even attempts to assist others (expediently, I might add), it is despised and shunned and accused of imperialism etc. So who can blame many Americans for not caring?

    I'm not American, but to be frank I don't really care about it. I believe my country should look after its own first, and our friends and allies. Let the rest sort themselves out. Like our ancestors did. They won't appreciate our help anyway. They will whinge about not being given enough or some other triviality. We will become the wicked ones in the end.

    So, sorry Darfur. I'd rather look after our own indigines than you.

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    I was concerned about Darfur but after the teddy bear incident my response is **** you Sudan

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    Default Re: Darfur: No One Cares

    I sound cruel whenever I say it, but I personally wish they would just hurry up with the war and just finish the damn thing.

    That way, there wouldn't be any fighting, at least not for a while.

    Sure, we may send people in, sure it'll make a peace... until we leave.

    So, there's not point in going there to pause something already going on and will continue to go on. Let them kill each other.

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