Byzantine Kings?

[Levon of Cilicia]

Just wanted to know, you see the kings Basil I King Leo, (were ethnicly Armenian) although more Byzantine Kings were Ethnicly Armenian, but in Broken Crescent, will they notify the kings as armenian ethnicly or kno, because i think that will be sooo coool, not only for armenians, but if i dunno lets say for instance " a russian king has polish descent" dont you think we should not some things like that? (obviosuly not to a certain extent)

[SwiftBlade]

But how would it help anyways?
he gets a plus in relations with with the armenians?

[ShayanMirza]

Levon, I think YOU should make a TW Armenia mod. The BC mod is amazing, and too complete to so heavily modify now. Since you seem knowledgeable about Armenia, you must make the mod yourself!

[Ermeni]

yeah some of the byzantine emperors where armenians like those of the macedonian dynasty (yeah that's sounds strange but the founder of the "macedonian dynasty" Basil I was armenian) that dynasty was in power from 850 - 1050 (i think), but for the 1170 byzantine family tree there are no armenians.

i don't know how prominent armenian noble families within the byzantine empire was in this time frame, but i know that the skleros and phokas families where armenian and that they where the most powerful of the byzantine families in Anatolia prior to the battle of manzikert.

[Dracula]

First of all,there aren't "byzantine kings " . The monarchs of Byzantium are only "Emperors " and most truthfully so ,because this country invented the word,defined what it is -"a ruler over more than 2 folks descendant from the roman state" and were actually the only ones who could acknowledge the title to other nations .

in the late era,a hierarchy was developed in this order :

Emperor (assuming there maybe only 1 in the world )
kings and tzars
archonts
despots
so on .

In the modern times the word "emperor" started to be used for even the Japanese . But it was not so in the Middle ages

[John I Tzimisces]

Ok, you definitely brought this up in another thread already.

It's hard to say what sort of traits an armenian emperor would have. Emperors of armenian descent had NO QUALMS WHATSOEVER invading armenia. I don't see how they are any different than greek emperors, to be perfectly honest. (Not to say they weren't pretty damn successful lol)

See John I Tzimisces, who turned his invading army south after discovering the already loose kingdom of armenia actually raised an army to match his own.

Their identity probably meant very little to them.

[Dracula]

Indeed .An Empire is always international .That is how it is not greek and not armenian .They must have felt byzantine,though the word is XIXth century .

[AnthoniusII]

What is this fullisness obout the macedonian dynasty to be armenian?Can we be a little bit serrius?Come on my dear armenian friends the world did NOT goes around your tribe!!!What it come next?Atheneans of the 5th centurybc were armenians too?Ofcource there were many armenians in high ranks (even emperors) but this tribe had NOT the majority of the rullers in the empire!!!! This is a great myth scimmilar to the russian success of the empire(golden eagle on the flag,2rd Rome as name of Moscow etc)...
Basill I was a farmer biy from east Thrace (macedonian thema)...
Isaurian dynasty(isaurians were a tribe of east-central asia minor)may had some relation with the armenians!!!We are sure that John Tsimesces WAS an Armenian (he was son of the previus domesticus ton shcolon John Qurqua). This millitary-aristocratic fammily had a huge tradition of giving high quality officers for centuries!!!!Last years I happened to listen that even Nicephoros Phocas(the emperor before Tsimesces)was arnmenian too.
Can we be serius?Armenians seem to forget that they were NOT the only tribe in asia minnor!!!!Kurds,kappadokians,Isaurians,Arabs and greeks were desapear instandly?

[IrAr]

Can we be serius?Armenians seem to forget that they were NOT the only tribe in asia minnor!!!!Kurds,kappadokians,Isaurians,Arabs and greeks were desapear instandly?

I'm well aware of Kappadocians, Kurds, Greeks, Isaurians and the sort. Again, generalizations make Ahiga's melon cat cry.
And to echo Hovannes, Armenian emperors had no problem with beating up their own people, so they're not that much different.

[AnthoniusII]

Tsimeskes is a hero to greeks too!!!!That's diferent for trying to present him as "greek"isn't it...A man or a woman is what he/she is hero or not!!!Have you see anyone to claim that Jessus was black?:hmmm:

[John I Tzimisces]

What is this fullisness obout the macedonian dynasty to be armenian?Can we be a little bit serrius?Come on my dear armenian friends the world did NOT goes around your tribe!!!What it come next?Atheneans of the 5th centurybc were armenians too?Ofcource there were many armenians in high ranks (even emperors) but this tribe had NOT the majority of the rullers in the empire!!!! This is a great myth scimmilar to the russian success of the empire(golden eagle on the flag,2rd Rome as name of Moscow etc)...
Basill I was a farmer biy from east Thrace (macedonian thema)...
Isaurian dynasty(isaurians were a tribe of east-central asia minor)may had some relation with the armenians!!!We are sure that John Tsimesces WAS an Armenian (he was son of the previus domesticus ton shcolon John Qurqua). This millitary-aristocratic fammily had a huge tradition of giving high quality officers for centuries!!!!Last years I happened to listen that even Nicephoros Phocas(the emperor before Tsimesces)was arnmenian too.
Can we be serius?Armenians seem to forget that they were NOT the only tribe in asia minnor!!!!Kurds,kappadokians,Isaurians,Arabs and greeks were desapear instandly?

You're overreacting a bit.
These claims of ethnicity come primarily from contemporary historians, whether they're right or not.
Heraclius, for instance, is written of by Byzantine historians as the son of the Armenian Exarch of Carthage.
And despite the fact he is probably one of the greatest emperors the eastern empire saw (thanks to his reforms in the state and the military), he's regarded as a blasphemer (for proposing a compromised between the oriental and greek churches) and bad ruler by the same folks

[Ermeni]

What is this fullisness obout the macedonian dynasty to be armenian?Can we be a little bit serrius?Come on my dear armenian friends the world did NOT goes around your tribe!!!What it come next?Atheneans of the 5th centurybc were armenians too?Ofcource there were many armenians in high ranks (even emperors) but this tribe had NOT the majority of the rullers in the empire!!!! This is a great myth scimmilar to the russian success of the empire(golden eagle on the flag,2rd Rome as name of Moscow etc)...
Basill I was a farmer biy from east Thrace (macedonian thema)...
Isaurian dynasty(isaurians were a tribe of east-central asia minor)may had some relation with the armenians!!!We are sure that John Tsimesces WAS an Armenian (he was son of the previus domesticus ton shcolon John Qurqua). This millitary-aristocratic fammily had a huge tradition of giving high quality officers for centuries!!!!Last years I happened to listen that even Nicephoros Phocas(the emperor before Tsimesces)was arnmenian too.
Can we be serius?Armenians seem to forget that they were NOT the only tribe in asia minnor!!!!Kurds,kappadokians,Isaurians,Arabs and greeks were desapear instandly?

ok my friend i think you overreacted, I am not saying that the Eastern Roman Empire was Armenian in any way because that would be totally crazy. The Empire consisted of many different ethnic groups and the Armenians where only one of them.

I mentioned the macedonian dynasty because their founder Basil I seem to be Armenian (well at least according to sources i've peaked at) also the heraclian dynasy also seems to be armenian, of course the Macedonian and hercalian dynasty intermixed with all kind of other ethnic groups within the empire.

there where no ethnic ruling class, the Eastern Roman Empire was multi ethnical.

PS. i think the language of the court was greek, it was changed to from latin to greek at some thime, not sure when but probably sometime during the heraclian era

[AnthoniusII]

Emperor Mauricius established the greek languege as the state's one at 7th century!!!In arab and scandinauian texts from 6th-14th centuries mentioned the empire as "the land of greeks"(see the tomps texts of danish,rus and norwigian "varangs" and their sagas)!!!!:hmmm:

[John I Tzimisces]

Emperor Mauricius established the greek languege as the state's one at 7th century!!!In arab and scandinauian texts from 6th-14th centuries mentioned the empire as "the land of greeks"(see the tomps texts of danish,rus and norwigian "varangs" and their sagas)!!!!:hmmm:

You're the first person to make this claim to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclius#Legacy
The oxford classical dictionary, which this article cites, disagrees with you.

Not to mention Emperor Maurice was murdered by Phocas in 602. He didn't have much time in the 7th century...

[teh.frickin.pope]

From the Wiki(as much as it can be trusted) About Basil I

According to tradition current in his own reign, Basil was of Armenian origin[2][3][4] and a distant descendant of an Armenian princely family [5]. His parents were most likely Armenian peasants who had been settled in the Byzantine Macedonia (theme) (an administrative division corresponding to the area of Adrianople in Thrace) according to standard Byzantine practice.

[Tadzreuli]

hehe , Joseph Stalin (Jugashvili) was Georgian, but this not means, that he made "Georgian business", he has not nationality, he was sample dictator, such as Byzantine emperors! ...

The main thing to beat the patriot of own country, instead of the leader of the hostile state of own country!

my Armenian friends,

I always respect your knowledge, but to play with peoples nationality traits is very dangerous, remember that, please

[ShayanMirza]

Allz I know is every Empire is international, like Dracula said, and Armenians are awesome folk. So are Georgians, Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Turks, whatev. People are people, or as the immortal Mos Def would say, "Peepz is peepz."

[IrAr]

Allz I know is ever Empire is internation, like Dracula said, and Armenians are awesome folk. So are Georgians, Greeks, Azerbaijanis, Turks, whatev. People are people, or as the immortal Mos Def would say, "Peepz is peepz."

Damnstraight!

[Levon of Cilicia]

lol i didnt want to start a row lol, i just wanted to point something new, it would make this mod different from the other mods you know! so it would give it that extra historical and interesting umph, but not just armenian rulers in the byzantine empire like heracueles, leo, basil and many profound generals and knights, but other factions too, like im sure georgian and Cilician armenia both had a connection with kings as well, also eastern europeans and russians, and the muslim factions, i read somehwere that even the sultinate of egyption had a armenian origined king, which is very weird, when i read it i was shocked, but its highly possible!

[Dracula]

I doubt Wiki is right about Basil I .Coming from Thrace or Macedon,he can't be armenian . More likely thracian or greek .Wlach as well is possible .