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    The God gene hypothesis states that some human beings bear a gene which gives them a predisposition to episodes interpreted by some as religious revelation. The idea has been postulated and promoted by geneticist Dr. Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the U.S. National Cancer Institute. Hamer has written a book on the subject titled, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.
    According to this hypothesis, the God gene (VMAT2), is not an encoding for the belief in God itself but a physiological arrangement that produces the sensations associated, by some, with the presence of God or other mystic experiences, or more specifically spirituality as a state of mind.
    Simply put, the gene is involved in the breakdown of monoamines, a class of neurotransmitters which contribute to an individuals emotional sensitivity. The loose interpretation is that monoamines correlate with a personality trait called self-transcendence. Composed of three sub-sets, self-transcendence is composed of "self-forgetfulness" (as in the tendency to become totally absorbed in some activity, such as reading); "transpersonal identification" (a feeling of connectedness to a larger universe); and "mysticism" (an openness to believe things not literally provable, such as ESP). Put them all together, and you come as close as science can to measuring what it feels like to be spiritual. This allows us to have the kind of experience described as religious ecstasy.
    What evolutionary advantage this may convey, or what advantageous effect it is a side effect of, are questions that are yet to be fully explored. However, Dr. Hamer has theorized that self-transcendence makes people more optimistic, which makes them healthier and likely to have more children.
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    John Polkinghorne, an Anglican priest of the Royal Society and a Canon Theologian at Liverpool Cathedral, was asked for a comment on Hamer's theory by the British national daily newspaper, The Daily Telegraph. He replied: "The idea of a God gene goes against all my personal theological convictions. You can't cut faith down to the lowest common denominator of genetic survival. It shows the poverty of reductionist thinking."
    Walter Houston, the chaplain of Mansfield College, Oxford, and a fellow in theology, told the Telegraph: "Religious belief is not just related to a person's constitution; it's related to society, tradition, character—everything's involved. Having a gene that could do all that seems pretty unlikely to me."
    Hamer responded that the existence of such a gene would not be incompatible with the existence of a personal God: "Religious believers can point to the existence of god genes as one more sign of the creator's ingenuity—a clever way to help humans acknowledge and embrace a divine presence."
    The DVD commentary for "The God Who Wasn't There" provides a counter-argument -- followers of non-Judeo-Christian religions experience similar emotions to Christians after their meditative and other religious exercises, too. Humans may simply be adept at undergoing psychological changes if they engage in activities that require extended attention.
    Carl Zimmer claimed that, given the low explanatory power of VMAT2, it would have been more accurate for Hamer to call his book A Gene That Accounts for Less Than One Percent of the Variance Found in Scores on Psychological Questionnaires Designed to Measure a Factor Called Self-Transcendence, Which Can Signify Everything from Belonging to the Green Party to Believing in ESP, According to One Unpublished, Unreplicated Study.[1]
    very interesting. what it's basically saying is that there are genes that we receive that automatically determine whether we have a supernatural or skeptical universe/world view. i think why more people are becoming atheists is that more people with the dominant materialist worldview today people who have the atheist/skeptical gene are coming out of the closet and becoming atheists.





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    Oh, is that related to the "hero" gene, the one that predisoses people to run at a lion or in a fire?

    Gives The Wizard of Oz and the cowardly lion a slightly different look...
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    What's exactly your point?

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    that people are atheist based on what they believe is rational and irrational. wich is affected by genes. and by the philosophical beliefs during that time. the dominant philosophy today is materialism.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    that people are atheist based on what they believe is rational and irrational.
    Umm, yes.. did you figure that one out all by yourself?

    wich is affected by genes.
    True, some people are smarter than others. Though that does not necessarily preclude one being an atheist or not.

    and by the philosophical beliefs during that time. the dominant philosophy today is materialism.
    The dominant philosophy where? In science? Then yes, including the supernatural is bad science. In society in general? No, a vast majority of people are still quite religions.

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    you did not read the article at all.





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    From the article:

    "The God gene hypothesis states that some human beings bear a gene which gives them a predisposition to episodes interpreted by some as religious revelation."

    That could also be determined to not be a religious revelation, it could just be a gene that causes those who have it to hallucinate regularly or they might be especially prone to schizophrenia.
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    Yep. Many theorize that the Prophet Muhammad was an epilleptic. Perhaps the same is true for many of the semitic prophets.

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    And the likelihood for thousands of people from remote areas of the world receiving revelations that there is only 1 god iss..??

    Mohammad was an epilepctic eh? i've never heard of sudden epilipsy before. this funny idea also doesn't explain jibreel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    And the likelihood for thousands of people from remote areas of the world receiving revelations that there is only 1 god iss..??
    Remote areas of the world? Most of these "prophets" (sheisters and scam artists really) came from a very narrow area known as Palestine and Arabia.

    The better prophets - like Zoroaster and Buddha - came from other parts. Of course they never claimed to be prophets - just very wise men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet View Post
    Remote areas of the world? Most of these "prophets" (sheisters and scam artists really) came from a very narrow area known as Palestine and Arabia.

    The better prophets - like Zoroaster and Buddha - came from other parts. Of course they never claimed to be prophets - just very wise men.
    Zoroaster claimed to be a prophet.

    well you might've not been there but i posted the link that showed many different indigenous people worshipping a one true god. including in places like africa and north america

    The semitic prophets were the better prophets. there in the top 10 of all time human beings. Buddha is not in the top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by infernocanuck View Post
    I'm sorry. I find it difficult to accept that there is a gene linking your susceptibility to superstition/rationality. Not to mention that there are many fallacies invoked when people start talking about genes and heritability.

    I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismissed this merely on the fact that it hasn't been tested in a lab, and in order to do so, an immense amount of controls are going to have to be made. Untestable and Unverifiable.
    it has been tested in the lab





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    according to your idea, it is a hypothesis meaning an idea not proven.

    also it does make you a skeptic or non-skeptic it refers to spirituality not if you believe in something but whether you are able to experience miracles.

    and if it was a gene, its not a very good one because my parents and grandparents are athiest yet i am religious. weird huh.

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    This reminds me of an article I read the other day, apparently there is a gene that allows people to see ghosts. Actually has a very strong basis in science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    well you might've not been there but i posted the link that showed many different indigenous people worshipping a one true god. including in places like africa and north america
    Usually based on sun worship, the sun being the source of life it's not a coincidence that people around the world prayed to one god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    The semitic prophets were the better prophets. there in the top 10 of all time human beings. Buddha is not in the top 10
    What's wrong with Buddha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    Zoroaster claimed to be a prophet.
    Did he adress a letter to you telling you this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    well you might've not been there but i posted the link that showed many different indigenous people worshipping a one true god. including in places like africa and north america

    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    The semitic prophets were the better prophets. there in the top 10 of all time human beings. Buddha is not in the top 10
    This comment is too silly to even try argueing against it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    it has been tested in the lab
    So.. Mansa, you believe in the theory of Evolution when you think it supports your idea od a god.. but not to explain the diversit of life?

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    Now that I don't think the hallucinations I get from it are real or spiritual, it's actually kinda cool.
    Yeah that happens to me all the time when I am tired, usually I see spiderwebs falliung from the ceiling or a ghostly hand moving towards my face, but since i know it isn't real I just wait for it to disappear.
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    Actually, self-induced sleep paralysis (I believe) can occur while attempting to enter a dream-like state consciously.

    I think this is most productive when used to satiate one's fantasies (not necessarily sexual, of course). Like farts, it's **** without the mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet View Post
    The better prophets - like Zoroaster and Buddha - came from other parts. Of course they never claimed to be prophets - just very wise men.
    Buddhism is actually a philosophy. I had a theology major tell me this.

    So it's actually possibly to be a Christian and a Buddhist at the same time. I have no idea how it'd work, though...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ~The Doctor~ View Post
    So it's actually possibly to be a Christian and a Buddhist at the same time. I have no idea how it'd work, though...
    Except most Buddhists are also atheists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    Mohammad was an epilepctic eh? i've never heard of sudden epilipsy before. this funny idea also doesn't explain jibreel
    Hmm, epilepsy, maybe not... although it is entirely interesting to think that perhaps he and many other religious prophets were schitzophrenic.
    I don't mean to insult Muhammad or Jesus... or Abraham, or Moses... Peter or Paul... or Mr. Smith of the Mormans, but seriously if you met someone on the street today who claimed he saw Gabriel or that he was the son/prophet/chosen of God, would you believe him? Sometimes i think it's entirely likely that Jesus was born again in the tenth century, and that the ultra-conservative church burned him at the stake for heresy.:hmmm:
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    To be perfectly fair, its possible there is a "God gene" - or more rather a gene creating predisposition to religious beliefs. It would even be evolutionarily beneficial: demographically, in the West or the world as a whole, religious groups have more children per head of population than non-religious ones, because of things like religious strictures - a peculiar irony for the Creationists!

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