ABOUT ARMENIA?

[Levon of Cilicia]

I would like to ask usualy and historicly Armenians used Eagles as Avatars Coat of Arms what ever you would like to name it, although i like the Lion and with the kings emebelem cross,but i wish that the historic Vartan Mamikonian Eagle Hunting the Lamb could be the Sign of the Armenians in the game!

i Know it cant be changed now, but it would be better and more correct in my eyes, and not all of Armenia was under Seljuc Rule, Cilicia had its own Armenian King, and so did the aquainted Armenia also, they worked Binomualy!

[IrAr]

Levon, during the time of this mod, Armenia was either made up of many feuding nobles, dominated by Turkic Sultans or under Georgian rule. There's no point, it would be silly and two nearly identical factions would deter gameplay. Many, many, many other factions would be on my list before I even thought "Hey, BC needs an Armenian faction in Armenia." In fact, the faction list would have to be at least fifty before I thought of that. I'm not even a member, I'm an Armenian and I don't think so. There's no chance, Levon.

[Levon of Cilicia]

well we wernt under georgian rule, i think you might find Armenia had Georgia under our rule most of the time!

[Fenix_120]

Armenia proper by this time period was in a state of duress, what part of Armenia the Turks did not conquer was in anarchy, ruled by no one but the most powerful warlords(or rebels) or by the Georgians as IrAr has already pointed out.

The only Armenians who were united under a king by the time-line of the mod(IE an actual liable faction) was the kingdom of Cilicia, and they are in the game.

I would personally like to see the Principality of Antioch, Moscow, Cumans, and Novengrod before I see another Armenian faction, thats if you can find some proof that one of the Armenian warlords was powerful enough to conquer all the other warlords and re-claim their lands.


All though it is the BC teams mod and they may do with it as they please.


Just like I will do as I please with my own mod, Elephants vs. Bananas:TW

[Tadzreuli]

Levon jan, parev

well we wernt under georgian rule, i think you might find Armenia had Georgia under our rule most of the time!

this is special for you from me , for many it is not a surprise :

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[Levon of Cilicia]

Tadzreuli that is hardly an empire if you ask me yes maybe a golden age for georgian personally, but it is now way a empire, its very foolish to catogrize the georgian golden age as a empire, because as we all know and see it wasnt that large, and or dominent, and you hardly controlled all of armenia like i stated just some bits, but other than that lol nothing else i can say

[Taneda Santôka]

Tadzreuli that is hardly an empire if you ask me yes maybe a golden age for georgian personally, but it is now way a empire, its very foolish to catogrize the georgian golden age as a empire, because as we all know and see it wasnt that large, and or dominent, and you hardly controlled all of armenia like i stated just some bits, but other than that lol nothing else i can say

I only wish, for the forum's good, you'll quit the arrogant nationalist Brahmin Crap...

[John I Tzimisces]

Tadzreuli that is hardly an empire if you ask me yes maybe a golden age for georgian personally, but it is now way a empire, its very foolish to catogrize the georgian golden age as a empire, because as we all know and see it wasnt that large, and or dominent, and you hardly controlled all of armenia like i stated just some bits, but other than that lol nothing else i can say

You're very wrong.

After Manzikert Georgia controlled more of Armenia than we Armenians ever did. Basically the entire region of the caucasus was tributary to the Georgians or part of the Georgian kingdom.

I don't think it started losing territory until Tamerlane and/or the Kwarezmians came.

[Besarioni]

well we wernt under georgian rule, i think you might find Armenia had Georgia under our rule most of the time!

Attention. Sign of extreme nationalism

but big respect to the sensible armenians. Who are majority ofcourse

[Salah-ud-Din]

This mod rouses strong nationalist sentiments.

[IrAr]

This mod rouses strong nationalist sentiments.

Sadly, yes. Nationalism being manifested in a game is stupid, silly and like all things associated with nationalism, vile.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

Sadly, yes. Nationalism being manifested in a game is stupid, silly and like all things associated with nationalism, vile.

Nationalism is neither stupid nor silly. It is arguably a nations strongest weapon, nationalist who believe they are fighting for their nation will go even further than people fighting for their religion.

[karo]

Nationalism is neither stupid nor silly. It is arguably a nations strongest weapon, nationalist who believe they are fighting for their nation will go even further than people fighting for their religion.

QFT and + rep

And I don't understand why people see nationalism as a bad thing. We Armenians Have allways been nationilists, why should we stop now.

[Taneda Santôka]

And I don't understand why people see nationalism as a bad thing. We Armenians Have allways been nationilists, why should we stop now.

Three thumbs down.

Because discussion forums such as here would become a nasty "I've got the biggest" hell...

Every nation and its people have always been nationalists, do you nationalisticaly pretend armenians are more??

[IrAr]

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And I don't understand why people see nationalism as a bad thing. We Armenians Have allways been nationilists, why should we stop now.

Nationalism? What the hell? Its never been good! Nationalism is the blind support of one's nation, the thought that one's people are superior to others and religiously following the state's every order.
Karapet, I believe you mistake nationalism for patriotism.
Son of a ****, we are rapidly making a terrible name for ourselves.
Nationalism is yet another form of fanaticism.
Duke, if one is an evil, militaristic ruler, than yes, nationalists help quite a lot, but patriots help their country and don't hurt others.

[Shadibadoo]

Elephants vs bananas is going to be the BEST mod. someone needs to make a sig with that.

[John I Tzimisces]

The zakarid armenian princedom is the closest thing to what you speak of. They reigned later and are basically part of the georgian kingdom. The Nakharar system was restricted to isolated valleys by the 14th century and before that the lords were fleeing to Cilicia and Georgia leaving very little local leadership.
There were no Armenian kingdoms in Armenia proper at the start of this game and those that do pop up don't last to the 15th century.

[Drtad]

The zakarid armenian princedom is the closest thing to what you speak of. They reigned later and are basically part of the georgian kingdom. The Nakharar system was restricted to isolated valleys by the 14th century and before that the lords were fleeing to Cilicia and Georgia leaving very little local leadership.
There were no Armenian kingdoms in Armenia proper at the start of this game and those that do pop up don't last to the 15th century.

Not true actually. The Hamshen Amatuni principality lasted in Armenia until the mid 15th (?) century when they fell to the Ottomans and most Hamshens were forced to convert to Islam (most of those who didn't were killed).

I am not saying there should be the Hamshen principality, just wanted to point out a little historical fact.

[Levon of Cilicia]

well no we wernt part of the georgian kingdom, we didnt subgigate nor did we all them to rule, it was a bi-lingual ownership of land and rule, it was actualy formed like that when Armenia Liborated Georgia from the Persians, and saved them to keep their christian religion! as a conlusion georgia never actualy invaded armenia! well they did but they were not successful!

During the B.C period just about all of Asia Minor, Northern Persia, Half of Syria, Northern Iraq, All of jeruselam, across from the black sea, kaspian sea, and mediteranean, and the egyption gulf, was under armenian control, but that was King Tigrans Reign, Historians argue, that King Tigran had All of persia under a Proctectorate, meaning Armenia was the Defender of Persia, if they subgigated and payed Taxes, but thats a argued theory or fact! when more evidence will be found, but other than that A.D. is my favourite period, and i cant wait to play as Armenia and possibly play as Byzantine also!

[Drtad]

well no we wernt part of the georgian kingdom, we didnt subgigate nor did we all them to rule, it was a bi-lingual ownership of land and rule, it was actualy formed like that when Armenia Liborated Georgia from the Persians, and saved them to keep their christian religion! as a conlusion georgia never actualy invaded armenia! well they did but they were not successful!

Not exactly. Vartan Mamikonian defeated the Persian army at the Battle of Khaghkhagh and liberated Georgia, that's true, but he didn't conquer the place. The Georgians with their Zakarian generals conquered Armenia and the Zakarian set up Armenia much like it was before, a country divided up into small nakharardoms under the sovereignty of a Caucasian king.

During the B.C period just about all of Asia Minor, Northern Persia, Half of Syria, Northern Iraq, All of jeruselam, across from the black sea, kaspian sea, and mediteranean, and the egyption gulf, was under armenian control, but that was King Tigrans Reign, Historians argue, that King Tigran had All of persia under a Proctectorate, meaning Armenia was the Defender of Persia, if they subgigated and payed Taxes, but thats a argued theory or fact! when more evidence will be found, but other than that A.D. is my favourite period, and i cant wait to play as Armenia and possibly play as Byzantine also!

Tigran did subjugate those lands, but that was from about 85BC-66BC, which has no relevance to Broken Crescent. At this point in time the Kingdom of Armenia is made up of Cilicia, but remember you can recreate history and invade the Levant and beat up on the Crusaders and Turks and recreate the powerful state as it was under Hetum I and Hetum II.