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    Icon1 Are we worshipping the Sun?

    To justify my new name under my avatar, I found something quite interesting.

    Now watching this, since I am not familiar with buddhism and neither very much of the hindu religion and neither the Jewish in detail, possibly some forum members following those can tell me just how accurate this is.

    To add some of my own info, I did have learn in college, that many theologists do think , that the real Jesus was actually learning about the religion he was spreading from possibly a religious tribe, and their religion was much more like the worship of the Sun, similarly to the same like in Egypt.

    Also if someone with a good grip on jewish religion tell me about how much accurate/innacurate this could be about the Is-Ra-El being a 3-God worship, like this:

    Isis is a goddess in Egyptian mythology. She was most prominent mythologically as the wife and sister of Osiris and mother of Horus, and was worshipped as the archetypal wife and mother.

    Ra (Rê and later Amun-Ra; reconstructed as *ri:ʕu) is the ancient Egyptian sun god. He was a major deity in ancient Egyptian religion by the fifth dynasty. Identified primarily with the mid-day sun, the chief cult centre of Ra first was based in Heliopolis (ancient Inunu) meaning "City of the Sun"

    Ēl (אל) is a Northwest Semitic word and name translated into English as either 'god' or 'God' or left untranslated as El, depending on the context.

    In the Levant as a whole, El or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as attested in the tablets of Ugarit.


    See it? Is-Ra-El.

    Now the theory, I think it gets very interesting from the 3rd one, the first 2 though are the ones I'm not quite sure if those claims are all true, especially the Buddha and Krishna







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    Yes we are worshipping the sun. It is the giver of all life, even the cavemen came up with that.
    Later religions are just build around it.

    (dont kill me if you disagree..)


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    I seem to remember Ysräl being the more correct word for the Promised Land, before complete Anglicization which replaced the ä with ae and the Y with an I.
    Or was Israil used before that? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by HansDuet View Post
    Yes we are worshipping the sun. It is the giver of all life, even the cavemen came up with that.
    Later religions are just build around it.

    (dont kill me if you disagree..)
    It's also the "light of the world" and dies and is reborn on a regular basis(winter/spring or night/day)...

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    .... people have connected Jesus to Mithras?
    That's wierd...

    Wow, they do look similar!


    Of course I could only find the Roman scultpures, for some reason there weren't any original Persian images anywhere. Shame...
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    Quote Originally Posted by morteduzionism View Post
    It's also the "light of the world" and dies and is reborn on a regular basis(winter/spring or night/day)...
    Have you ever heard of the concept of "metaphor"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg View Post
    Have you ever heard of the concept of "metaphor"?
    Actually he made a great point. One that is the basis of many early religions. Not just Ra, which is pretty obvious, but the whole life-giving sun cycle itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThiudareiksGunthigg View Post
    Have you ever heard of the concept of "metaphor"?
    You mean the story/life of Jesus the Christ is nothing more than a "metaphor" of the natural mechanics of the sun. Sure I've heard that concept before.

    If you're suggesting that "the light of the world" is not a literal description of the sun...then...ummm...you know, I'm not sure what to say to that one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by morteduzionism View Post
    If you're suggesting that "the light of the world" is not a literal description of the sun...then...ummm...you know, I'm not sure what to say to that one...
    I'm suggesting that the idea that the metaphor of Jesus being "the light of world" means that Christianity is somehow sun-worship is absurd to the point of being laughable. There's a type of simple-minded New Age thinking that seizes on any parallel and obsessively finds connections in them. That leads to some of the dumbest ideas around (eg the pyramids in Central America and Egypt were built by the same people, the Druids were Buddhists etc)

    If you find this kind of dumb "logic" convincing then ... ummm ... you know, I'm not sure what to say to that one.

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    horsearcher. you should not post a conspiracy nut as a reliable source. the guy believes in reptilians

    shenanigans





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    horsearcher. you should not post a conspiracy nut as a reliable source. the guy believes in reptilians

    shenanigans
    Well, it's not that he believes in reptilians.. I must admit I believe in reptilians too...

    WHAT THE ****

    What moron designs google?? I was going to be witty an funny and show a picture of an iguana or something, but the first 50 pictures in google are the crazy reptile people that that crazy person thnks rules the world!


    Oh wait, that's reptile and reptilian...
    my mistake...

    That's better. Even though that frog is technically an amphibian...

    It's the thought that counts, right Mansa?
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    Mansa, are you really criticizing someone on the quality of their sources?

    In all honesty though, these videos are brought up about once a month (the last was Rush I believe) and they are very inaccurate. I wont do into the details now (don't have time) but TG did a tremendous job exposing these things for the crap they are.

    Also with your whole "Israel" thing, you are using translations to find meaning of it meaning ANOTHER translated word. I mean come on, how can you be convinced by this crap? "I can pull random letters out of mythological deities and make another word- LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!"
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    He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman View Post
    Mansa, are you really criticizing someone on the quality of their sources?

    In all honesty though, these videos are brought up about once a month (the last was Rush I believe) and they are very inaccurate. I wont do into the details now (don't have time) but TG did a tremendous job exposing these things for the crap they are.

    Also with your whole "Israel" thing, you are using translations to find meaning of it meaning ANOTHER translated word. I mean come on, how can you be convinced by this crap? "I can pull random letters out of mythological deities and make another word- LOOK AT MEEEEEEE!"
    LOL, who said I'm convinced? You are trying to tell an atheist man that he really cares about what the religious people worship, depending on the flavor of the day?
    I have been in church about 3 times in my life, including one for my baptism, one for when I didn't want to clean the barracks in the army and once when my football rolled in the doors while playing soccer.
    ...Again...sometimes I just wish a giant internet chasm would open up and swallow Youtube whole.

    Youtube is a great place to find videos of cats playing the piano. It's not a great place to find original research, be it in the humanities or the sciences.
    Your argument stands a chance against user made videos, but not for videos not made by the Youtube community.
    You did realize, that this isn't a user-made video, but part of a televised show, probably from the 90s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsearcher View Post
    Your argument stands a chance against user made videos, but not for videos not made by the Youtube community.
    You did realize, that this isn't a user-made video, but part of a televised show, probably from the 90s?
    Oh it was a TV show?

    Like those ones on the History Channel that tell me that ancient Hindu religious texts are proof of alien visitation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajm317 View Post
    Oh it was a TV show?

    Like those ones on the History Channel that tell me that ancient Hindu religious texts are proof of alien visitation?
    Possibly most likely, although you find no opposition here from me about the History Channel, unlike others who "religously" follows down to the last letter what the History Channel tells us about history.

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    ...Again...sometimes I just wish a giant internet chasm would open up and swallow Youtube whole.

    Youtube is a great place to find videos of cats playing the piano. It's not a great place to find original research, be it in the humanities or the sciences.

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    yes i am. the "source" is an alternate historians who believes in reptilians and other conspiracy junk. the other new world order conspiracy theorists don't even have the same notions as this guy. as the other ones believe that the conspirators are trying to ban religion or restrict it.

    i'm very familiar with this guy. he's a nut. he believes in reptilians





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    yes i am. the "source" is an alternate historians who believes in reptilians and other conspiracy junk. the other new world order conspiracy theorists don't even have the same notions as this guy. as the other ones believe that the conspirators are trying to ban religion or restrict it.

    i'm very familiar with this guy. he's a nut. he believes in reptilians
    For once, it seems Mansa Musa might be right:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Maxwell

    First time for everything I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajm317 View Post
    For once, it seems Mansa Musa might be right:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Maxwell

    First time for everything I guess.
    Take it into consideration, that what he says in these videos, people got sent to be burned alive less than 200 years ago. In the name of the religion. so our little google engines and what you may find on the web is usually what we want to hear, not necesseraly unbiased in one way or another, neither in real life in religion when you got 90% of the world believing in a little book down to the word without raising questions, let it be that called Bible, Qran or Torah or all the rest.

    By the way AJM, did you actually watch these videos , because according to the time I posted and the time of your first post in this thread indicates that you could not even gone through half of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horsearcher View Post
    Take it into consideration, that what he says in these videos, people got sent to be burned alive less than 200 years ago. In the name of the religion. so our little google engines and what you may find on the web is usually what we want to hear, not necesseraly unbiased in one way or another, neither in real life in religion when you got 90% of the world believing in a little book down to the word without raising questions, let it be that called Bible, Qran or Torah or all the rest.
    I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but if the jist of it is that Wikipedia is biased, well, there is his own personal website:

    http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/

    It does little to fill me with confidence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Horsearcher
    By the way AJM, did you actually watch these videos , because according to the time I posted and the time of your first post in this thread indicates that you could not even gone through half of it.
    No I did not, the computer at my lab does not have sound, but these theories are not new. As someone else mentioned similar videos have been posted several times now, and TG has debunked them several times. I did watch those videos. I can only watch the same conspiracy theory presented in so many different ways before I begin to lose interest.

    Also, the whole Is-Ra-El thing was pretty laughable really, as others have said.

    EDIT: Ok, I just started watching one of the videos, I was wrong before. This is even crazier than the earlier videos.

    Some of these conclusions he is drawing...wow.
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