Would you people bulldoze the wall separating the Lion and Peacock exhibits?

[Mother Yoda]

So would you, why and don't assume that this is literal. Think about this before you post.

[Dayman]

What the hell...

[Mother Yoda]

What the hell...

Think about it. It's not as off as it seems.

[Medicus]

I think this is about the wall the Israelis are building to separate them from the Palestinians...

[Mother Yoda]

I assure you I am more intelligent than to go driving around in and out of a lion exhibit.

That's good.

I think this is about the wall the Israelis are building to separate them from the Palestinians...

No it's not. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough it's about governmental issues.

[lord_IRNBRU]

i think he is talking about the time neds broke into the zoo and started feeding some of the animals to the lions and pulled the heads of peacocks

[removeduser_487563287433]

So would you, why and don't assume that this is literal. Think about this before you post.

I assure you I am more intelligent than to go driving around in and out of a lion exhibit.

[mocker]

Mother Yoda, this is the internet. Internet has no single government.
Could you please tell us what exactly you're speaking of?

Or are you perhaps speaking of segregation, the theory that some people should be placed far from each other in order to avoid negative consequences? Racial segregation, perhaps? Or maybe religious?

[Sidmen]

Would you people bulldoze the wall separating the Lion and Peacock exhibits?

Yes I would, do you know the awsomeness that would come from such a thing... I mean, Peacocks chasing lions and eating them..

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yes I would, do you know the awsomeness that would come from such a thing... I mean, Peacocks chasing lions and eating them..

I'm putting that in the quotes thread!

[Relkin The Raider]

Oh boy I hope this isnt what I started!

I am going to regret it but no I wouldnt.

[Mother Yoda]

I give up. The topic is about libertarianism.

[Rhinosaur]

I give up. The topic is about libertarianism.

By that you mean the retarded libertarian idea that if we removed the only checks on the immense power of large corporations that they'd magically become responsible either socially or environmentally?

"Y'see, if we get rid of the FDA we can set up smaller, private FDA-like companies to test drugs. It's not like they or the HUGE CORPORATIONS who pay them would ever steer us wrong to make a quick buck. If they did something like that, their reputation would be bad and..."



TRIUMPH OF LIBERTARIAN THOUGHT

April 12, 1880 - March 31, 1932) was a wealthy American socialite, athlete, and industrialist who earned notoriety in the early 1930s after a gruesome illness and death caused by radiation poisoning resulting from the consumption of a popular patent medicine made from radium dissolved in water. The son of industrialist Alexander Byers, he was educated at St. Paul's School and Yale College, where he earned a reputation as an athlete and ladies' man. Byers eventually became the chairman of the Girard Iron Company, which had been created by his father, and was the U.S. Amateur Golf Champion of 1906. In 1927, while returning via chartered train from the annual Harvard-Yale football game, he fell from his berth and injured his arm. Byers complained of persistent pain and a doctor suggested that he take Radithor, a patent medicine manufactured by William J. A. Bailey. Bailey was a Harvard College dropout who falsely claimed to be a doctor of medicine and who became rich from the sale of Radithor, which he made by dissolving radium in water to high concentrations, and which he held could cure many ailments by stimulating the endocrine system. He offered physicians a 17% rebate on the prescription of each dose of Radithor.
Byers began taking enormous doses of Radithor, which he believed had greatly improved his health. He drank nearly 1400 bottles of Radithor. [1] In the process he probably subjected himself to more than three times the acute lethal radiation dose. By 1930, when he stopped taking the remedy, he had accumulated significant amounts of radium in his bones, leading to fractures, lesions, loss of teeth, and eventually the loss of most of his jaw and to the appearance of holes in his skull. According to Oliver Sacks's book Uncle Tungsten, Byers "died grotesquely as his bones disintegrated, like Monsieur Valdemar in the Edgar Allan Poe story." Byers's gruesome death inspired the Wall Street Journal headline "The Radium Water Worked Fine until His Jaw Came Off."
His illness and death received much publicity, leading to a heightened awareness of the dangers of radiation poisoning, and to the adoption of laws that increased the powers of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). William Bailey was never tried for Byers's death, but his business was shut down by the Federal Trade Commission.
Byers is buried in Allegheny Cemetery in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

"Besides, if they ever wrong us we can sue them. How hard would it be to win damages in a complex (scientifically and/or legally) lawsuit against a company with near infinite resources?"

[Relkin The Raider]

In a society which allows freedom to express ones point of view, there will of course arise those of differing opinions. The most self righteous of either view through striving to prove the correctness of their path will inevitably push each other to the furthest fringes of political ideals. The result of which would be, should either come to full political power, the very loss of the freedoms which first gave them birth. We need balance. The world needs balance. If there are fascists, then we need communists. If there are to be socialists, then we need capitalists. If there are to be conservatives, then we need liberals. The conflict between different ideals forces a continuing evolution which can only benefit society as it shifts from trying one then another in an effort to provide for the good of its people.

Intellectually I understand my own thoughts I just wrote above but emotionally I am only human and of course I subscbribe to certain ideals of my own which will differ from many here. People will fight, they will bleed, they will kill, and they will die in defence of their beliefs or in some cases to impose them upon others. After experiencing these, the debates on these forums, while important to our growth and life experience, are taken lightheatedly by me and no longer anger me as they once would have long ago. I apoligize ahead of time to anyone who feels disrespected or marginalized in any way by my levity or sense of humor.

Go ahead Mother tell us your story, then describe your ideal system. Then I will tell you why it is WRONG.

[Mother Yoda]

Go ahead Mother tell us your story, then describe your ideal system. Then I will tell you why it is WRONG.

It would have to be in another thread before I explain. After that is done though I would love to say what I believe. Besides I may disagree with one's thoughts but believe that we will truly won't and don't know what's right. It's in a large part a subjective issue than a objective one.

[Relkin The Raider]

If its a parable just remember most forum members seem to suffer from either ADD or ADHD and several apparently from Downs Syndrome Most of us can handle a simple analogy though. So what about Libertarianism? Quick while there is still some mild interest this has the potential to be interesting. And expect the Hammer Of Rush to descend upon you!

[Relkin The Raider]

By that you mean the retarded libertarian idea that if we removed the only checks on the immense power of large corporations that they'd magically become responsible either socially or environmentally?

In a sense its true. Its the Darwinisn of economics. Everything is self regulating to a degree. If you dont like a wage, work somewhere else, if you dont like conditions live/work somewhere else, if someone dies from a beverage, dont drink it. Manufacturers, services, whatever then have to adjust to the public needs/concerns or lose money or go out of business. It is a constant evolution however, so one must ask how many people are you willing to sacrifice on an ongoing basis for a self adjusting ideology. In its pure form thats just not acceptable to a civilized society.

[Rhinosaur]

In a sense its true. Its the Darwinisn of economics. Everything is self regulating to a degree. If you dont like a wage, work somewhere else, if you dont like conditions live/work somewhere else, if someone dies from a beverage, dont drink it. Manufacturers, services, whatever then have to adjust to the public needs/concerns or lose money or go out of business. It is a constant evolution however, so one must ask how many people are you willing to sacrifice on an ongoing basis for a self adjusting ideology. In its pure form thats just not acceptable to a civilized society.

The first part of your response just hasn't ever been proved by reality, and in fact has been proven NOT to be true. The part I bolded is the important part. Libertarianism is basically diametrically opposed to a civilized society. The "I GOT MINE" mentality enshrined at the core of Libertarianism would pretty much lead us straight into some kind of Mad Max type world, which oddly enough, is one most Libertarians would be unlikely to survive in.

[Relkin The Raider]

The first part of your response just hasn't ever been proved by reality, and in fact has been proven NOT to be true. The part I bolded is the important part. Libertarianism is basically diametrically opposed to a civilized society. The "I GOT MINE" mentality enshrined at the core of Libertarianism would pretty much lead us straight into some kind of Mad Max type world, which oddly enough, is one most Libertarians would be unlikely to survive in.

Right, society today is much too complicated for anyone to be able to watch out for themselves. Even though, for instance, labels on food stuffs must list ingredients, I can barely pronounce some of the words let alone know if its safe to eat. Allowing self regulation would only work on the most primitive societies because of their simplicity. I am against controls being so stifling that they hinder growth and development such as in Communist or socialist societies.

[Relkin The Raider]

some kind of Mad Max type world, which oddly enough, is one most Libertarians would be unlikely to survive in.

:hmmm:Why do you say that? Just curious.