Missiles

**Rumpletumpskin** · November 29, 2007, 03:20 AM

do flaming arrows do increased damage or just affect the enemies moral?

**pwijnands** · November 29, 2007, 03:28 AM

They definately damage enemy morale. Wether they do more damage or not is more difficult to be certain of. Flaming arrows are less accuracte, so it's harder to compare the amount of kills they inflict.

**vonKrysiak** · November 29, 2007, 03:42 AM

nope dont think thye do in vanilla (although it has been so long since I played it) they deal great morale dmg and are less accurate plus firing speed is slower so in many cases you dont use them. Dmg might differ from one mod to other...
Also you can modify the values by editing descr_projectile file (if you used unpacker first)

**TheJoker** · November 29, 2007, 03:53 AM

It seems as if they do.

When I fire a volley of normal arrow with peasant archers at an enemy genral, it sems like 9 out of tean arrows that make contact ricochet harmlessly.

When I use fire, far fewer make contact, but it seems liek they don't ricochet as often, and the poor guy bursts into flames that don't quite seem possible and bakes to death in about 0.5 seconds.

**Kahn** · November 29, 2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheJoker

When I use fire, far fewer make contact, but it seems liek they don't ricochet as often, and the poor guy bursts into flames that don't quite seem possible and bakes to death in about 0.5 seconds.

Haha ! This made me laugh out loud in my office. Yes the flames don't really seem possible, but seeing a whole man and his horse burst into flames as if he's been sitting in a large bucket of kerosene for a few days has got to be one of the best aspects of this game. And when it's the GENERAL that bursts into flames you get a whole video. Top ten moments of MED:II gameplay in my opinion.

Also: Boo ya.

**NobleNick** · November 29, 2007, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Kahn

...And when it's the GENERAL that bursts into flames you get a whole video. Top ten moments of MED:II gameplay in my opinion...

Hmmm... Thanks for the tip. Gotta try that.

On topic: Flaming arrows do less damage but have a dramatic effect on the target unit's morale. So, for instance. You would not want to use flaming arrows in an archer vs archer duel, where both sides are roughly equal; because your archers would drop faster and the fight would quickly become unbalanced against you. But if you are trying to start a rout, it would be an excellent idea to shoot flaming arrows into an enemy unit which shows as "wavering" when you mouse over it.

**vonKrysiak** · November 29, 2007, 04:10 AM

Well I would have to see a vanilla descr_projectile to confirm that for you but maybe you think so because way less arrows actually hit the unit? flaming arrows have really way worse accuracy vs units

**TheJoker** · November 29, 2007, 01:57 PM

I'd have to agree on the general flambe being one of my favorite moments in M2:TW. Especially if you get more kills nearby in the video. Nothing quite like watching one guy spontaneously combust and three others nearby following suit.

"What's your order!?"
"Cha-ARRRGH" *Firey death*
"...ARRRRGH"

Maybe I'm a little overboard but this is how I picture it when it happens, because the arrows just seem so impossible that they really must soak in kerosene prebattle as you said.

**antaeus** · November 29, 2007, 04:16 PM

its good to switch them on if you're fighting an uphill battle. the little moral hits it deals can make an enemy break quicker in a close battle. but if the battle is a lot more in your favour, turn them off so the regualr arrows do more damage through rate of fire and accuracy and may save you from a melee..

also really good in siege battles... if they have broken the gate down it will hit their morale as they are about to enter the gate and run onto your spears. or if they have just burst onto the walls...

**Rumpletumpskin** · November 29, 2007, 10:40 PM

is the moral penalty the arrows deal permanent or does it degrade over time?

**loquar** · November 30, 2007, 01:27 AM

I find that flaming arrows hit less often but seem to ignore more armour. I use them when targeting heavy infantry or cavalry as i get way more kills on them with flaming. When targeting light/unarmoured infantry I go back to non-flaming

**pwijnands** · November 30, 2007, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rumpletumpskin

is the moral penalty the arrows deal permanent or does it degrade over time?

It does not degrade over time, but can be degraded by morale boosting effects like reinforcements, winning a battle etc.
Flaming arrows don't damage morale quite as well as Naffatun's do, they can make a unit rout when they've only inflicted 15% casualties or so (depending on unit morale and wether they are supported or not).