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    Default The morals of today's youth have disappeared

    I was recently thrown, shockingly, back into the real world today when I learned of a brutal beating of a young grade nine girl near my old high school (just a few blocks from my house). I use to believe my neighborhood was a safe one. It has been essentially crime free for years. It's been a upper middle class neighborhood since I first moved here 15 years ago. However in the last few years low income developments have been built including welfare housing. As families started to move into these areas crime has gone up. Now there is graffiti all over street signs, mail boxes etc. Break ins have been happening with increased frequency. And violence at the schools has increased. The number of large scale fights has increased dramatically in the last few years. To say all this is linked to the increase in low income families in the neighborhood may be unfair, it may be even more unfair to say it is also tied to the fact that the number of visible minorities in the neighborhood has significantly increased.

    I'm not trying to say that the minorities are the problem however one thing that has been occurring is a clear resentment of the, mostly white, upper class by the, mostly black, lower class. Nearly all of the recent violence at the local high school has been provoked by african amercians. Either at other african americans or more often at white students (maybe its just because there is more of them, I don't know). While there seems to be a growing racial tension in my community I don't think it is the root of the problem.

    I think it lies in the fact that most of the youth today have a complete lack of concern for anyone other than themselves. In Toronto murders are up 10% from last year and are set to break an all new record. Nearly all are being perpetrated by young people (late teens). This most recent attack I mentioned at the start was between grade nine students. A white student, a small girl barely 90lbs, accidently stepped on a black students shoes. The black student then followed the white student with 4 of her friends and then attacked her, threw her to the ground and stomped on her face and stomach repeatedly. A family friend was attacked by a group of girls for no reason, at least no reason she could explain. The group attacked her, through her to the ground and did the same thing, stomping on her until they were forced to scatter stealing her purse. Again I don't want to force race on the issue but this group were all black students from the local high school. All over north america you can see youth becoming more and more violent. Crime is steadily increasing between all groups. Black on black crime has grown increasingly worse here in Toronto (several african-americans were killed this weekend in apparent gang related activities). It appears to me that there is a lack of morals throughout today's youth. And I'm going to say it (even if some think it racist), in particularly among young african-americans. There is something about black youth culture that seems to permit violence. I don't know what it is, I'm not going to blame rap music, but I see it becoming a problem that seems to be greatly effecting north american.

    Alright, I vented. I'm still rather shaken up about the poor girl beaten to the point of being hospitalized because she stepped on someones shoes. I'd like to hear others opinions on this. Has the youth of today thrown their morals out the window? Are we slowly moving towards a violent, inhuman society where no one but yourself matters?

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    So on one incident, known from word of mouth, something unlike which has happened for decades where you live - you are about to generalise on the morals of every young person and declare your neighbourhood unsafe?

    Flaw in logic, mayhaps?

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    I once had a thread about this in another section about youth being the cause of all the world's problems. But I agree with Ferrets with this one, I do not believe it is good for you to generalize young people or blacks because of one incident. You were a youth once, so are you condemning all youth so therefore you could say the same bad for yourself then. I do not think it is positive for people to become prejudiced after one incident, that is what eventually leads to racism or adult-centrisms, and other bad things.

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    That's like saying all germans are nazi's.

    Yes there are idots among my generation, but there always have been and there always will be idiots.

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    This isn't just one incident Ferrets. There have been a lot of shootings and gun violence recently in Toronto. Unfortunatly most of it has occured within one ethnic community. Overall crime rates are stable. but the percenage of crime occuring in some areas is increasing.
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    have you any idea about some of the **** that yesterday's youth was responsible for?
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    well quickly looking at the police stats (http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publications/)-

    Age range 12-17 %total of non-sexual assaults:
    1997 12.63
    1998 13.69
    1999 14.1
    2000 12.97
    2001 12.36
    2002 11.79
    2003 13.03
    2004 12.02
    2005 11.8
    2006 11.1

    Hmm.. I stand corrected. It appears that assualts by 12-17 year olds hasn't been rising in the last 10 years, it has fallen. Though it is hard to say where these crimes are happening. I don't have enought time to look more into these reports, maybe later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary88 View Post
    have you any idea about some of the **** that yesterday's youth was responsible for?
    Shhh, Hells Angels were never youths.

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    The thing is though, is not that they only think about themselves, but also have a rather distorted view of what is best for them. Crimes and getting in trouble and jail is obviously not a positive thing and will screw up your life. If they only cared about themselves they wouldn't act like this, unless they are stupid. Amorality then, is not the cause, but rather wrong morals. They haven't lost their morals, their morals has changed; it is as you noted, the culture is at fault.

    A morality system based on that only yourself matter and that you don't care about anyone else doesn't make one do bad things, because doing bad things are harmful to oneself, for obvious reasons. I know this because I have no absolute morals, and just do what is best for myself. I have a hard time believing that such a large portion of the youths are sociopaths, so I think what we see here is selfishness combined with stupidity and ignorance. Selfishness is a very common trait among humans, but stupidity and ignorance (in this context) is something that can be changed, and is often caused by the culture. What has happened where you live, if it is as you describe, is that the youth culture has gone down the drain. "Loss" of morality is just a side-effect.

    A society where only yourself matter is not necessarily an inhuman society. Even if other people's well being doesn't matter to you, they matter to you in some way. Everyone, even the most selfish bastard, needs some form of human contact; everyone wants friends, even if they care about the friend as a person, they just don't want to be lonely. To achieve that you cannot act as a complete ******* to everyone. Even if you only care about yourself, you would obviously want a good job etc. and that cannot happen if you are a criminal.
    No, morality and selfishness isn't the problem; stupidity and ignorance is, as always. And is society getting more ignorant and stupid? I cannot say.
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    I'm sure that today's youth has better morals than some of yesteryears youth - the Hitler Youth being a prime example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    I'm sure that today's youth has better morals than some of yesteryears youth - the Hitler Youth being a prime example.
    bad example, they where brain washed. and even then apart from the nazi side of it they where taught quite good morals, much like scouts.


    as for the OP.. well...

    you always will have bad kids who go off the rails. always. the reasons are many, too many to count and not easy to fix, simply baning video games, introduceing the cane to school or putting a father in every home will not solve the problem, it didnt in the past and wont in the future.

    most youth (being 19 do i still count?) of today are good, decent people, and i am talking 9 in 10 are good people. always was, always will be. But remember being a youth is different to being an adult. a teenager is not a child but they are not an adult and that middle ground is a hard time and guess what? they make mistakes, we all do it doesnt mean they are bad and again most of them do sort themselves out once adulthood kicks in.

    but then a 17 year old boy helping his grandmother change the light bulbs because her hips are not so good and she cant use the step ladder does not sell newspapers, and i am willing to bet that happens far more often then all the shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    So on one incident, known from word of mouth, something unlike which has happened for decades where you live - you are about to generalise on the morals of every young person and declare your neighbourhood unsafe?

    Flaw in logic, mayhaps?
    I also live in Toronto and I agree completely. I have some statistics to back up Goat's argument but I don't want to be percieved as racist or anything like that here so my opinion will have to suffice. Toronto is what I know, but I think it may just be a microcosm of a larger cultural problem that Goat alluded to that glorifies violence, taking pleasure in the suffering of others and which has a distorted sense of honor and what it means to be an alpha male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoZz View Post
    bad example, they where brain washed. and even then apart from the nazi side of it they where taught quite good morals, much like scouts.
    The Hitler Youth had good morals? Care to elaborate?
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    What's interesting is in certain poor areas, the Dominican Republic being one, the youth (and everyone, for that matter) are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. This obviously doesn't apply everywhere, or is even historically true, but in my experience the D.R. was a fantastic place to live (for those street-smart) despite the obvious economic diversity the citizens had to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    The Hitler Youth had good morals? Care to elaborate?
    It's simple, Shaun. The Hitler Youth were taught discipline and manners, as well as how to persecute Jews. It's a win-win situation!


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    I am also sure that the ethnic discrimination or imposition of socio-economic barriers are not being perpetrated by the youth of today, but the youth of yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sephodwyrm View Post
    I am also sure that the ethnic discrimination or imposition of socio-economic barriers are not being perpetrated by the youth of today, but the youth of yesterday.
    I'm guessing it was done by old people actually





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    yes because its all the fault of the system; your not responsible if you have to kill someone and take all thier stuff for yourself.

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    Politics is always 20 years behind real social realities.
    And religion at least 1000.
    The older they are, the more religious they tend to be. Just an observation.
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    yeah i know somebody that said he's killed 4 people. and he's not really a scary person.





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