THE DARTH AGES

[acegogo]

guys this something that averroes found:

The Darth Ages

they have combined TLR with DarthMod and Kigdoms...

haven´t checked it out yet, but sound promesing and a colaboration seems like an excellent idea for now.

So, just to say Hi! to these guys and they are more than wellcome to use TLR to post.

[Thorn]

I just come here to say hello..

I would like to say that you have done a really good job with that mod.. i love it and is one of the reasons i'm still play that game..

Now i'm too busy trying to make the AI worth its name, but then i will have enough time to add new units/factions and other stuff to this mod..

[Averroës]

AI is one of the strong points you guys at Darth Mod have accomplished, Naimad. It's probably a bit more complicated with this larger map; but I have confidence in the work you and Xeryx are doing. With the wonderful map Tornnight created and the work done on the factions already included, it will make a great combination. I'm really pleased to see you working on it. And Acegogo is a wonderful graphic artist. Can't go wrong!

The factions Tornnight was originally thinking of adding were the Cumans, Georgia and the Lithuanians. I'm sure there are several great versions of each already mostly done, like the work the guys at B.A.L.T. have done on Lithuania and Kepper here in this forum has been working on the Kingdom of Georgia, and Boztorgai_Khan has done some incredible work on the Cumans for The Broken Crescent and might be interested as well.

[ReichMaster420]

this is great news,can i play this without kingdoms?

i love tlr, but hate the ai

ive currently been playing ss4.1(for ai) with tweaked desc_strat files to make 0.5 year turns,lowered population and increased building times to simulate TLR epic campaign style..

but with lack of all the cool units and everything else tlr has to offer its not the same

is there anywhere i can dl and play a stable version??

[Averroës]

Well, TLR is stable for me.

I believe that Darth Ages is for Kingdoms only, though.

[ReichMaster420]

tlr is good for me too, i just prefer darths battle animations and ai

its alot harder for me,the ai are smart fierce and more enjoyable, and i get confused installing all of condos latest patchs correctly:hmmm:

i dont get the epic battle feeling though playing with SS, maybe its just the different units in TLR that made things interesting

[Thorn]

Darth Ages only works with Kingdoms.. maybe someone could make a Medieval 2 version.. i have not the time and Kingdoms has some nice features so it will never be the same..

[acegogo]

DOn´t worry about it, I think that if we release a last no bugs TLR2.0b that would be enough and we can concentrate on the kingdoms version you have done.

During the weekend I´ll get the gfx´s for the resources averoes was talking about, then on to the map

[Spartan69]

It's fantastic maybe you can work together!!! (you and darth ages)

[Thorn]

Links are working again..

[AnthoniusII]

Please can someone change those stupit oval shields of byzantine spearmen with those of byz infantry?:hmmm:

[Irishmafia2020]

Wow, this is the best news possible! I just bought Kingdoms, and I regretted the thought that its new features would never be implemented into my beloved TLR. Thank you for your efforts! I find that I cannot bring myself to play a mod that includes the Americas anymore since I am now addicted to the TLR map. Now I'll get an updated version of TLR to go with my Kingdoms game... Fantastic! Thank you for the early Christmas present!

[Thorn]

I will need some help to finish my FS file.. i will add some factionvsfaction rules (like continuous deteriorating relations between scotland/england, Spain/France, etc..) to make things more "historical", but there are some factions that i know almost nothing about.. so any help would be apreciate..

The rules could "move" the relations to a given point over a given time like

;------------------------------------------
Trigger XXX
WhenToTest updateattitude

Condition FactionType Scottland
and TargetFactionType England

FactionStanding target_faction normalise -0.75 50

So the relations between England-scotland will move towards -0.75 no matter what

[Averroës]

Glad to help!

Let's see now...

Negative list that should always normalize toward a strong negative each to the other:

Pope - all Islamic factions (the strongest negative between them)
Scotland - England
England - France
Moors - Portugal (at war to start?)
Moors - Spain (at war too)
Denmark - HRE
Byzantium - Rum Sultanate (should probably begin at war)
Byzantium - Venice
Byzantium - Sicily (should probably begin at war)

Moderately negative but should still normalize to a negative:

Poland - HRE
Poland - Kiev
Poland - Novgorod
Denmark - Novgorod
HRE - Pope
Hungary - Byzantium

The following should be just slightly negative but should normalize to negative:

Venice - Milan
Venice - HRE
Milan - HRE
France - HRE
Hungary - Byzantium
Hungary - Venice
Hungary - HRE

Slightly negative to start, no normalizing (should be allowed to go positive or negative)

All Islamic factions - All Islamic factions (they just didn't get along, and some eventually broke out into open war until the crusades united some)

Neutral to start but should be allowed to go either positive or negative:

Sicily - Pope
Kiev - Novgorod
Hungary - Poland
Venice and Milan - the Islamic factions (I know this sounds odd, but Venice and the other sea-trading city-states in Italy maintained trade relations with the Islamic world all through the Crusades, despite Papal prohibitions against trade)

Start negative and normalize to positive, if possible:

Scotland - France
Portugal - Spain
Byzantium - Kiev


That's pretty much the way I see the situation in 1080.

Is there a way to make relations fluctuate from negative to positive and back in a cycle of some kind?

If so, then Kiev - Novgorod would be a good candidate for not making up their minds. Good relations at times, bad relations at times, neutral relations and back and forth between them. The same with Sicily - Popes, Portugal-Spain, Poland-Hungary and the 4 Turkish factions with each other.

[Thorn]

Religion is under control.. i have many religious rules to make catholics hate islam and viceversa..

i'm looking into Faction vs Faction relations..

I dont like starting wars, because that create a disadvantage to those factions, instead of i set relations to -0.6..-0.8 this means they will go war when they feel confortable to do so (and it works, first wars in my games use to be moors vs Castilla/Portugal or Basilea Ton Romanion vs sultanate of Rum or Sicily vs Basilea/Venice and sometimes France vs England, Hre vs Denmark/Poland/Milan)

but are you sure milan - venice should go to negative? i know they fight each other more than once, but having the menace of HRE and Sicily i set them to be less agressive.

I let the papacy away of those rules.. because it could cause too many side effects, but overall i set almost the same rules you have posted here..

i will upload a new update soon, when i finish the EDU rework and maybe the accents issues.

[Averroës]

Venice and Milan are minor. You may be right that they should worry more about the HRE. Not sure about Sicily, however. Historically, Sicily was more of a threat to the Byzantines. Although, I suppose they could be seen as at odds with Venice as well, since both wanted the same territories along the east coast of the Adriatic Sea.

Definitely good to have Venice and Milan concerned with the HRE. That's good, considering the historical situation. Although there were times when the northern Italian states allied with the HRE instead of the Pope. So at various times, the cities would be Guelph communes supporting the Pope and other cities would be Ghibellines supporting the HRE. It really was a fractured political situation.

I look forward to a new update! So far I like the way the AI is reacting. in 0.60!

[tito]

i'am really a fan of this mod and i would like to know where is the link to have tlr +darth mod playable on kingdom?
secondly is there lituania on it?

[anaztazioch]

No Lithuania. Its "full" convention of TLR for kingdoms with Darth formation and "real combat 1.3" dont know if modified (i think yes).

Its still 0.6 many needs to be done. Lithuania will "unlikelly" be added, as Right now, Cumans and Goergia are prior (to fill empty space).
Lithuania is pritty much Poland in MTW :/

[AnthoniusII]

I am playing the TLR now days!Does the Dark Ages have the same (exelent)skins-map and factions or you start from 'white paper"?

[xeryx]

Just wandering around, and wanted to stop in and say hello. Thank you guys for helping Naimad. After playing so many (short) campaigns developing the XAI with Naimad. I have a really good appreciation, for the the high quality of this mod!! Give him as much help as you can, so he can "get er' done" and enjoy playing a full campaign!!

Merry Christmas
xeryx