If Christians and Muslims want us to respect them

[sephodwyrm]

I have a few lists of what they can do first.
Really, its not for the rational or the atheists.
Its actually largely for themselves.

For starters, the can:
start Respecting each other
Instead of calling each other evil.
To me, Christians are very bad at this. I know. I met you guys. I was even one of you and was disillusioned enough by your apparent lack of interests in talking with Muslims. But the fact that you're very eager to "kkkill and kkkonvert" and racist squabbles made me very sick in the stomach.

Realize that you can't convert each other...en masse
The time for mass conversions is over. Who are you trying to convince? Poor desperate people? Of course people can't live on bread alone. We also know that they need citruses and education. People are most likely going to take their parent's faith without question, or they'll adopt some philosophy of logic.

Realize that you're bankrupt morally and end the war
Seriously now, I can't respect any warmongers.
If you guys want to fight, organize a team game on RTW instead of killing real people. I mean, I find morality in CS nerds than the religious nutjobs that is trying to increase their presence in this country (the US of A).

Stop commenting on politics on BASIS OF RELIGION
Religion should be a guidance on...ahem...personal responsibility. It should not be who I should vote for. Doing so is a violation of separation of Church and State. And really, people that ask their religious leaders on who to vote for should really be kept from the polling station. And religious leaders that gave an answer should be reprimanded by their own "flock".
<<I vote for George Bush because he's a Christian.>> Saying that doesn't make you a better Christian.
It makes you LOOK STUPID, stupid.

[Giorgos]

Angry are we?

[Siblesz]

Reason speaks.

+rep

Of course, someone's going to come here and say something about how this only represents the more extreme elements of each religious group, but I say nay. I've met "moderate" Christians (because they label themselves as such) say pretty damn stupid things. It is in the defense of religion that the most illogical things are said and done. When will people learn to understand that there is no "them"?

[Kleos]

Of course, someone's going to come here and say something about how this only represents the more extreme elements of each religious group

Of course someone is, this does only represent the more extreme elements of each religious group!

I met you guys.

No you didn't. You obviously came across a handful of misguided individuals and formed an opinion that reflects this. According to Gallup International (in its Millenium Survey of religous attitudes) 83% of North Americans regard God as important or very important while only 2% don't not think there is any God, spirit or lifeforce. Only 6% agree their is no essential truth in religion.

Are you arguing that the majority of these confrom to your opinion, and how are you in any position to make this assessment?

Stop commenting on politics
Religion should be a guidance on...ahem...personal responsibility. It should not be who I should vote for.

Politics: Stop commenting on Religion; politics should be for running a country. It should not be an excuse to judge people's personal beliefs. And this is someone who is not even Christian or Muslim speaking!

Realize that you can't convert each other...en masse

The vast majority of religous people are happy to enjoy the freedom of practicing their own religion without persecution, rather than some desire to see the whole world convert.

[Thanatos]

And you sir, can stop using kkk with everything. It's stupid, and it's getting old.

[The Prophet]

Sephodworm speaks truth!

[sephodwyrm]

And you sir, can stop using kkk with everything. It's stupid, and it's getting old.

I don't use it with everything.

Sephodworm speaks truth!

I merely spoke your mind, and the mind of many other more reasonable people. Now whether that is truth is hard to say. But I am very inclined to agree that if the religious bodies can at least do a part of what I said I would have way more respect for them.

[usjcaesar]

Theres only one problem with your comments, perhaps you fail to realize because of your own secularist POV. That is, for a truly religious person, their faith is not something hidden in the closet, but their very way of life. This is especially true of Islam, in which faith has always encompassed public and private life. Mohammad was a statesman, a general, and the God's messenger. Thus the actions of an Islamic ruler or state are always tied to their relation to their faith. The West has only lost this after centuries of government being made into a secular means to a secular end, first by absolutist kings and then by liberal (classical sense) democracies.

And by the way, the majority of Christians and Muslims get along just fine on a daily basis around the world.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Reason speaks.

LOL! Why am I not surprised you agree with him?

start Respecting each other

I didn't realize I was disrespecting Islam

Realize that you can't convert each other...en masse

This isn't an issue

Realize that you're bankrupt morally and end the war

I don't see any Christian armies, do you?

Stop commenting on politics

How about....



No.

I can comment on Politics all I want, for ANY reason I want, and I will continue to do so untill the day I die. You think people are in NEED of your respect? Making Comments like that makes it seem like you are the one who lacks respect.

[HopliteElite]

The sad fact is that organized religion is dangerous, plain and simple. I know that not all Christians and Muslims are extremists and I know that most are decent people but we cannot avoid the fact that it is the religion that creates the zealot, not the zealot that twists the religion. After all, extremists are always careful to only behave in accordance with what is written in the text of their holy books. While many would argue that they "interpret" the text in their own ways to suit their own purposes, we cannot escape the fact that the text is there, in the holy book, to be misinterpreted.

We cannot expect to end religious extremism until we end organized religion. This may sound extreme in and of itself, and it is, but extreme measures are sometimes required to keep the peace. The flat fact is that as long as religion exists, religious extremists will exist and they will continue killing those who follow a different set of beliefs or god. We can sit by and continue saying "well, most religious people are good" but this won't do anything about the major problem we face with the religious people that are extreme and deadly. Although the extreme make up a small number, they are causing great problems and instability around the globe and it is their respective religion that fuels them. The only way to end the problem is to end religion.

And I know that someone will chime in and say that I'm just an extremist myself, against religion but that is bogus because I do not want to forcefully convert religious people to my set of beliefs, I just want to eliminate a defunct institution that is causing great harm to mankind. I don't care what people believe as long as they do not use their belief to form a church of sorts, which is then used to convert followers, who then become dangerously and often times aggressively protective of their "faith". I do not advocate some sort of church of Atheism or Science, either. I simply advocate that everyone believe what they want, but never be allowed to form organized religions which conflict with the interests of those who are not members or do not want to be members. But in order for this to happen, organized religion needs to be wiped out completely, along with anyone that preaches about organized religion, so that generations that come along after us will not be corrupted by its influence.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

And I know that someone will chime in and say that I'm just an extremist myself, against religion but that is bogus because I do not want to forcefully convert religious people to my set of beliefs,

No, you simply want to end their beliefs.

How do you do this? Murder them, naturally.

[Dayman]

No, you simply want to end their beliefs.

How do you do this? Murder them, naturally.

Ridiculous statement. Atheism is not extremist antitheism.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Ridiculous statement. Atheism is not extremist antitheism.

The op is.

[Dayman]

The op is.

I don't believe he is an extremist. Most atheists would prefer a world without religion, I know I would, but I would not infringe on other people's rights to do that, nor would most atheists.

[HopliteElite]

No, you simply want to end their beliefs.

How do you do this? Murder them, naturally.

It sounds wrong but the end result would be much better than allowing organized religion to cause so many problems worldwide. After all, religious fanatics want to do the exact same thing except the world they want is an intolerant one towards anyone not of their particular faith. The world I want is a world without religious fanatics that has tolerance for all beliefs, unless someone tries to organize their beliefs into an institution that could someday become dangerous, like the ones we see today.

Surely anyone that is not of the intolerant mindset of a religious fanatic would see that a tolerant world achieved by way of violence is better than an intolerant world achieved by way of violence. Of course there is always the status-quo that we have today, which for all intents and purposes, seems to be leading us down the gradually shorter road to extinction via nuclear arms falling into the hands of the extremists that I would want destroyed.

[Dayman]

The best way to "end" religion is continue on the road of science and progress, and eventually the majority will sway away from religion and simple superstition. It's only a matter of time. Obviously some people will still hold some beliefs, but I would think that some sort of harmless pantheism would become the prevailing belief.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Read some of his other posts. Like where he defends Chinas invasion of Tibet because it got rid of a thoecracy. Or where he defends Mao's persucution of religious people.

[Dayman]

Read some of his other posts. Like where he defends Chinas invasion of Tibet because it got rid of a thoecracy.

Well, theocracy is a bad thing.

And I don't support Mao's persecution of the religious.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Well, theocracy is a bad thing.

And I don't support Mao's persecution of the religious.

The OP dose thats why I am against him, plus I am extremley annoyed at his use of Amerikkka

[Seda]

...plus I am extremley annoyed at his use of Amerikkka

Agreed. But hey, who needs facts? Sweeping generalizations are more fun, so they're ALWAYS right, aren't they?