Mel Gibson vs Brits

[hecatonkheir]

Can anyone make a loading screen or menu background like in Kingdoms' British campaign but with Mel Gibson as William Wallace instead of that vanilla guy?

[Ataegina]

you can find out in mini mod, menu background with william wallace, of course its the CA version, but i guess CA have used mell image (they're quit similar)

[Jihada]

William Wallace and scots without tartan or blue woad would be better. No tartans until 16th cen. Hurrah for hollywood ! (not)

[Caesar Clivus]

William Wallace and scots without tartan or blue woad would be better. No tartans until 16th cen. Hurrah for hollywood ! (not)

Not to mention that woad hadn't been used since roman times

[Byg]

William Wallace and scots without tartan or blue woad would be better. No tartans until 16th cen. Hurrah for hollywood ! (not)

That's the least of it, Mel Gibson films are the most anti-English, ahistorical rubbish I have ever come across.
If they need to alter history to make a good film, given the actual wealth of astounding real events, then they must be making films for the lowest common denominator.
Anyone would think all English people are evil. It's films like that that make me want to kill again.

[hecatonkheir]

Anyone would think all English people are evil.

Aren't they?
According to american movies about WWII all Germans are evil(not as evil as Japanese, though).
Guess it depends on ur side. For the Scots and Irish, who lost their independance, English are the bad guys for sure.

[Ataegina]

Aren't they?
According to american movies about WWII all Germans are evil(not as evil as Japanese, though).
Guess it depends on ur side. For the Scots and Irish, who lost their independance, English are the bad guys for sure.

"According to american movies about WWII " they've beat the germans alone, and they've won the WWII alone... i'm sure mel gibson would say "g'day , thats not true, australians have won the war!"

germans aren't evil, mel gibson is EVIL !!

[SDThielking]

That's the least of it, Mel Gibson films are the most anti-English, ahistorical rubbish I have ever come across.
If they need to alter history to make a good film, given the actual wealth of astounding real events, then they must be making films for the lowest common denominator.
Anyone would think all English people are evil. It's films like that that make me want to kill again.

The problem isn't that Hollywood portrays a culture as antagonistic, that's pretty spot on, barring historical accuracy. The real difficulty is that they persist in portraying cultures as whitehats.

Using the example of the Patriot, the English were Imperialistic bastards bent on keeping a populace under their thumb. I doubt that's particularly far from the truth. The Americans, however, were responsible for inventing modern guerilla warfare. We ambushed supply convoys, deliberately sniped officers and any ranked soldier at the onset of every engagement to induce fear in the troops and heighten confusion, and actually set booby traps on roads. If you press the chapter menu button and go three hundred or so years in the future, you'll find a similar scenario playing out in Iraq - except we Americans are the occupying foreign power. But, uh... we had a good reason for it! Just let me, uh... weapons of mass... no, we didn't... um, Saddam was a ruthless... hm, there's worse in the Sudan, and North Korea is waving nukes at us, and... uh... huh. You know, I really fail to see any culture in a truly potitive light. We're all capable of being decent and we're all right bastards when the chips are down or we have an agenda. I'll chalk that one up to "human nature."

As for the purpose of this post, well, there's so much love and beauty in the world, someone has to balance all that crap out.

[Ataegina]

and braveheart without australian accent (mell gibson) double hurrah !!

[Jihada]

lol

[Iscariott]

*shrug* they should have kept using it. woad bodypaint is warring in style.

[Inhuman One]

well the english wanted to conquer france and later half the world but still...

Anyways, I liked Braveheart. If woad and tartans werent used in the medieval period, why are they also in medieval 2? did they make the same mistake? I believe there was also a unit in age of empires 2 called a woad raider, graphics werent good enough to show woad though. But then again, they did covered the dark ages too.

What did they wear if not kilts then? just pants? and they later decided that kilts would be more fasionable and easier when approaching sheep?

[Byg]

well the english wanted to conquer france and later half the world but still...

Anyways, I liked Braveheart. If woad and tartans werent used in the medieval period, why are they also in medieval 2? did they make the same mistake? I believe there was also a unit in age of empires 2 called a woad raider, graphics werent good enough to show woad though. But then again, they did covered the dark ages too.

What did they wear if not kilts then? just pants? and they later decided that kilts would be more fasionable and easier when approaching sheep?

Our Kings were part french back then anyway. All our nobility were removed by the normans and subsequent kings inherited the french crown due to intermarriage as far as I recall. You have to remember that virtually all nations have had a turn at controlling the world. Failure to do so simply means that someone else does.
The English have done aweful things like all nations, but not in the examples in Gibson's films. In the patriot he doesn't mention for example that people in America who wanted to stay in the empire were imprisoned and that by today's standards the Americans were terrorists. Obviously he is just an actor, but he seems to keep doing this type of shallow depth film. And now we have this whole trousers issue, it's just too much!

[Jihada]

Mel Gibson at Bladensburg and burning the White House... Oh well at least someone made that Elizabeth/Spanish Armada film recently.

[Jihada]

The Scottish Tartan Museum site gives some detail of Scottish dress in medieval period.

[Ataegina]

i hope they at least remenber the english aren't alone...theres dutch people too ^^ (on battle between spanish-portugues vs english-dutch)

[Inhuman One]

I believe that Canada played a very big part in WW2 as well, probably as big as the US. I hear a lot about Canadians in dutch stories about WW2, both written down and spoken by survivors.

In ww2, the germans where evil, they did worse things during that time than there has ever been done in known history. We dutch couldnt be conquered so they bombed rotterdam and threatened to bomb a major city every day untill we would surrender. according to american movies we went down without a fight.

But to get back at scotland, can someone post links or pictures of medieval scottish soldiers, knights, highlanders and such? maybe a decent gues at the period too? late, early,etc?

[Americanus Supremus]

Wow, thats a first. The Canadiens did as much as the US in WWII. Now Ive heard it all. Wow.

[Ataegina]

fact is armies like canada or another countries like france,poland etc, they've been lil forgotten by people, more because they dont have such great propaganda machine like america,england,russia...

[Americanus Supremus]

Oh Im not trying to diminish what other countries did in WWII, but to compare the two, I think is a little off. And your right the contributions from countries like, Poland, India, Australia, France, Holland, Belgium, the Middle East, China, and many others do not get there just do.

On a side note Ataegina, are you Dutch? Cause I used to live in that Awesome country and still own a Home in Delft. Anyway this is all off topic and Im sorry.