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    Dismounted knight sounds like "knight without a horse", and if that is not enough, what about "dismounted Lithuanian cavalry" wtf ?

    So could you guys "officially" change "dismounted man-at-arms" to juts man-at-arms and mounted man-at-arms.

    As for dismounted Lithuanian cavalry. I think changing "Lithuanian archer" to slavonic archer and dismounted lithuanian archer to lithuanian archer will be good.

    Another thing is mamluks. Ghulam cavalry was heavy cavalry slave soldier in Abbasid and Sejluk, Mamluk were the "bodyguards" and most trusted man in sultans army. SO i say mamluk and mamluk archers should be renamed to ghulam lancers and ghulam archers, while royal mamluks should be "just" mamluks.
    Besides i spent over 3 hours searching about those two yesterday and learned that Mamluks are ONLY of slected boy-slaves (propabilly only stronges childs were bought and raised to be mamluks), while Ghulams cavlary was made out of "random" war slaves and prisioners (so soldiers were not only selected from most stongest of man, but rather from all able to fight). Ghulams were also once slayed for misbehaviour after Jiihad to Edessa. This also shows that they did not had the rank and respect as mamluks did.

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    Default Re: some unit name changes ?

    Those are interesting ideas and worth a look. I think the practice of having "dismounted" cavalry units comes from MTW1 which allowed dismounting cavalry before a fight began.

    On the issue of mamluks on ghulams, I agree. Ghulam simply means slave. So, technically, the mamluks were also ghulams. The mamluks were the elite of the ghulam forces, separated and trained specially to be mamluks. Most of the mamluks were Kypchak/Cumans or Ciscassian, sold into slavery or captured in war. The most famous maluk of them all, Baibars who began the Bahri dynasty Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt was a Kypchak as were most of his army.

    The mamluks were initially created by the Abbassids and used throughout Islam by various amirs, even as far as Delhi. In fact, the first independent Sultanate of Delhi was created by the revolt of a mamluk slave and commander, Qutb-ud-din Aybak.

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    Default Re: some unit name changes ?

    Ghulams were created by Abbasids. Mamluks are more "Egyptians".

    While Ghulam meants slave, Mamluk means "white slave" and it allready points out why it has differant name. In Egypt many warriors came from African tribes, some were more like mercenaries, some migrated to richer lands, some were slaves. And only ghulam cavalary was "elite" and worthy of trust enough to become a bodyguard, so they earned Mamluk name.


    Back in earlieer days, i was playing Knight of Honor, where Ghulams were only Ottoman and Sejluk unit (map didnt streach even to Edessa), while Fatimas, Ayyubis and Mamluks had their Mamluk unit.


    Btw. Do you know why Polish-Hungarian Hussar is not called just "EE Light Cavalry?" Plish Hussar had much differant equipment and with MTW II engine restrictions should be both Hussar lancers and Hussar archers. Begginigs are in 1389, when Serbs aided by Poland, Hungary, Bosnia, Bulgaia, Albania and Mongols lost vs Turks. Serbs joined Poland to continu fighting vs Turks, but their equipment was differant than in MTW II Hussars. Serbian (and Hungarians) cavalry man equipment was just a wooden turkish round shield, light half armor (dont know how to translate it). Their main wepaon was wooden lance, far lighter than "western" lances, but as durable and sturdy (lance is to knock of the horse or reach infantry before cavalry get in his wepaon range, not to pierce or wound. Speed of horse has enough power).
    "True" Polish Hussar came out of Light Cavalry in XVI centuary and were a mixed of Sipahis and Mongol cavalry (Poland was in quiet [aliance formed against Teutonic order, quiet not to anger the pope] alliance with The Golden Horde, so armies had time to "learn their differances"), a light-heavy missile cavalry covered by turkish chain male, turkish helmet, "serbian" lance, turkish sabre/scmitar, asian composite bow, shield was dependant on Provice a soldier come from. Later during Stefan Batory rule it was transformed into heavy cavalry and started wearing half plate mail if not only breast plate (only very late hussars "winged" ones wore full scale armor), equipped with lance (more and more rarer), turkish "closed" sabre/scmitar, i dont know about shield, but Turkish round was used for short time, and pair of pistols).


    Another thing i fins is "peasant" Archers. I think they should be called Leavies, Levy archer sounds more like a drafted army than peasant archer.
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    Default Re: some unit name changes ?

    And i have found another few.

    Chivalaric knight. It definatly comes from French work Chevalier, whitch is the lowest noblity class in France and represends a knight. Higher is Bennaret who is allowed to lead his own squad to fight. So i think that saying Chivalaric knight is something like "Knighty Knight" and sounds dumb. Dismounted Chivalaric Knight is even dumber :p, but reading your replies i know why "dismounted" is in MTW II.
    Still I would like to see this units as Chevalier and mounted Chevalier, or Benneret's Chevaliers. (Chevalier status was also existand in Poland, only its name was differant - kawaler and can be read simmilar to the French one. In Poland how ever a equality of noble classes axisted, so there was no split like it was in France and England to Knigh, Knight Bachellor, Benneret etc.)

    Noble Knight... Knight MUST be a noble in all European kingdoms. Even as lowest of class it is still a nable, so i fond adding "Noble" is confusing. Retainers, Bennerets Knights would be a more fitting name, but here im out of idea with "Feudal Knight" name allready taken.

    Mongol Heavy Lancer - shouldnt it be called Keshik ?

    Mongol Heavy Archer - shouldnt it be called Keshik archer ?
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