the end of the stem cell debate

[LoZz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7103787.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7103787.stm

Human skin cells have been reprogrammed by two groups of scientists to mimic embryonic stem cells with the potential to become any tissue in the body.

some very weird people think there is something wrong with useing stem cells from human eggs, which even i can't understand.

this has been the only thing blocking scientists from moving further in this area. NOW however it looks like skin cells can do the same job, which means there is no more need for stem cells. debate over! (if it works)

[Richard]

I'm sure some selfish and self-righteous :wub: will find a reason to complain that you're still interfering with God's plan. This person will likely occur in the southern United States and be named Jimmy Virgil Leroy IV (Junior).

[Dismounted H@Xx0rZ]

I'm sure some selfish and self-righteous :wub: will find a reason to complain that you're still interfering with God's plan. This person will likely occur in the southern United States and be named Jimmy Virgil Leroy IV (Junior).

0/10 troll points.

Try harder

Attempting to troll users and flaming against an entire region of diverse people makes you look... stupid. Also, cybernetics is the future, not cell regeneration, so I'll start a thread on that.

All that aside, an aborted fetus can still improve the life of another, but the question is will the receiver mind that the cells that might save him are coming from aborted babies?

[LoZz]

0/10 troll points.

Try harder

Attempting to troll users and flaming against an entire region of diverse people makes you look... stupid. Also, cybernetics is the future, not cell regeneration, so I'll start a thread on that.

All that aside, an aborted fetus can still improve the life of another, but the question is will the receiver mind that the cells that might save him are coming from aborted babies?

where on earth do you get the idea of aborted fetus's or babies?

they use the eggs, not even a fetus.

[Dismounted H@Xx0rZ]

where on earth do you get the idea of aborted fetus's or babies?

they use the eggs, not even a fetus.

You still shouldn't flame an entire people.

In fact, I demand an apology, since I live in Florida, and am sincerely offended. Really.

Eggs are just a controversial as aborted fetuses.

[LSJ]

I find it funny that the same people who lobby against stem cell research on the basis that it kills unborn children (from the eggs) don't lobby when a woman has her ovaries removed due to cancer. In that case you discard the ovaries and all the eggs with it. You are killing possible babies for the sake of one woman (you wouldn't want to use them anyway for safety's sake, but anyhow...). Somehow that is fine but destroying possible babies for the sake of millions is not.

[Richard]

0/10 troll points.

Try harder

Attempting to troll users and flaming against an entire region of diverse people makes you look... stupid.

That wasn't a troll attempt, it was stereotyping evangelical Christians, who stastically are likely to come from the US 'Bible Belt', and are also likely to object to tinkering with nature in this way. So fear not, unless you are an evangelical Christian from that area who objects to genetic modification or tampering of any kind, of course.

I mean it's not like those people you see implying Europe is one country that all thinks the same (liberal communist mindset, mostly) and who's citizens are called Eurotrash Leftards.

[The Prophet]

I'm sure some selfish and self-righteous :wub: will find a reason to complain that you're still interfering with God's plan. This person will likely occur in the southern United States and be named Jimmy Virgil Leroy IV (Junior).

This is probably true!

These nutcases will always find a reason to impose their ideologies on us!

[Ulazlo the Warmonger]

some very weird people think there is something wrong with useing stem cells from human eggs, which even i can't understand.

this has been the only thing blocking scientists from moving further in this area. NOW however it looks like skin cells can do the same job, which means there is no more need for stem cells. debate over! (if it works)

well we've known for a while you can get stem cells in other places like the ambilical cords and not necessarily embryo's, but the fact remains that embryonic stem cells are still the best for the job, the most easily adaptable.

i personally don't have issues with stem cell research, but while these alternatives may exist they are not as good as embryonic cells.

[sephodwyrm]

Skin cells are not as potent as the egg cell. There's different level of potency amongst different cells because of the numerous mechanisms of oft irreversible DNA regulation during tissue differentiation. The less undifferentiated the tissue cell is, the better.

Which is why the EGG CELL is still much better, and it is easily obtainable.

[sephodwyrm]

just that the woman doesn't want the kid.

So...?
You said eggs are just as controversial as aborted fetuses.
And not wanting the kid is a legitimate reason for abortion. And trust me, it hurts her more than it would hurt you.

[Dismounted H@Xx0rZ]

So...?
You said eggs are just as controversial as aborted fetuses.
And not wanting the kid is a legitimate reason for abortion. And trust me, it hurts her more than it would hurt you.

What are you rambling on about? Have I once said that I am against abortion? I'm not, actually. It keeps the population down and eliminates possible competition.

Also, abortion hurts the unborn kid more than anyone else, SINCE THE KID'S DEAD!!!!!

[The Prophet]

Have I once said that I am against abortion? I'm not, actually. It keeps the population down and eliminates possible competition.

:hmmm:

[sephodwyrm]

abortion hurts the unborn kid more than anyone else, SINCE THE KID'S DEAD!!!!!

No the Kid's in heaven.
He does not have to suffer through the abuse of a mother that never wanted him, hunger for lack of food and unemployment for lack of schooling.

[Mathias]

It's not really possible to hurt a dead person, so no, it does not hurt the unborn kid the most. In fact, it doesn't hurt him/her at all, if the abortion is carried out in a proper manner.

[LoZz]

not an abortion thread.

[mocker]

If unborn babies have no sins, do they go to heaven?
If so, fetuses should effectively dominate heaven now.
That's ****ing creepy.

And if they don't go to heaven because they lack souls, then why would abortion/stem cells be such a big deal??

[Richard]

If unborn babies have no sins, do they go to heaven?
If so, fetuses should effectively dominate heaven now.
That's ****ing creepy.

And if they don't go to heaven because they lack souls, then why would abortion/stem cells be such a big deal??

They spent their existance floating in limbo until Vatican 2. Something that had no basis in the bible, but hey, what the Pope says goes in the Middle Ages

[Safekeeper]

I'm sure some selfish and self-righteous :wub: will find a reason to complain that you're still interfering with God's plan.

True. Or that scientists are 'playing God', or that

You still shouldn't flame an entire people.

Neither did he. He was making a prediction based on experience about fundamentalists. And Christians aren't a 'people', they're a religious group made up of lots of ethnicities and cultures.

Eggs are just a controversial as aborted fetuses.

Probably. Not that they should be, but probably.