Who wrote the Quran

[King of Axum]

Many who study this time period (sixth century A.D) in the arabian penninsula are fully aware that Muhammad along with the large mass of inhabitants of that region ( arabs) counldn't read or write. Thus the question arises who wrote the quran.

check this site out very intresting :hmmm:

http://www.challenging-islam.org/art...rote-quran.htm


" Nonetheless, he was confused as to which God ought to be his God. Allah, a deity (a moon god--that is why the symbols placed at every mosque is a crescent moon) at that time, was the supreme God of the pagans. Their only fault was that besides Allah, they also used to worship, as the intercessors for Allah, the supreme, other smaller gods/goddesses like: Hubal, Al-lat, Al-Uzza, Manat…etc. So, in the beginning of his new concept of an almighty creator, Allah was out of his mind. Besides, at that time the magicians, the soothsayers, the sorcerers, and even the Satan worshippers used to vow by Allah. Thus, Muhammad found it utterly despicable to make Allah his God (ilah). "

your thoughts please

[Mansa musa]

the site doesn't even know that Mohammad didn't want to accept his call to prophecy

it's not worth my time. especially when i got to the part that stated "the pagan origins of islam"

[Silver Guard]

Islam has pagan origins. Not in as extreme a way as Christianity granted, but Islam is very firmly founded on the culture it grew in, the arabic pagan religions of the time.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Islam has pagan origins. Not in as extreme a way as Christianity granted.

How does Christianity, a religion with clealry Jewish origins, have "pagan origins" in some kind of "extreme way"?

You aren't trying to push that "Jesus = Mithras" crap that we've debunked here two or three dozen times are you?

[Mansa musa]

in what ways?

[King of Axum]

true allah is a name for a pre islamic pagan culture meaning Moon god. Mansa musa haven't u ever wondered why muslims have a cressent moon on their temples/ mosques

[Mansa musa]

true allah is even a name for a pre islamic pagan culture meaning Moon god. Mansa musa haven't u ever wondered why muslims have a cressent moon on their temples/ mosques

not this moon god stuff again. lol. there was no pagan moon god called allah. arab jews and christians called god Allah in pre-islamic times and still do to this day. people recognized Allah as the creator god that has no physical features before islam. in fact the strange and hipocritical thing is that jehovah was a pagan god among the hebrew people before monotheism. In islam many different people and tribes call Allah many different names in fact the Qur'an states that god sent messengers to all tribes peoples and nations. Allah is a universal god. the god of the asians of the arabs of the blacks and of the whites. he is not assigned to a specific people like the jehovah god that wrestles with human people in your bible.

now as for the crescent

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lV8QbTRjOi8

close thread

[King of Axum]

ur a real peace of work

Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc.. These were pagan rites practised by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.

[Mansa musa]

ur a real peace of work

Islam's origins have been traced back by scholars to the ancient fertility religion of the worship of the moon god which was always the dominant religion of Arabia. The moon god was worshipped by praying toward Mecca several times a day, making an annual pilgrimage to the Kabah which was a temple of the moon god, running around the Kabah seven times, caressing an idol of a black stone set in the wall of the Kabah, running between two hills, making animal sacrifices, gathering on Fridays for prayers, giving alms to the poor, etc.. These were pagan rites practised by the Arabs long before Muhammad was born.

here's why you're wrong

the kaaba had 360 idols in it that were all worshipped.

do i need to continue?

[King of Axum]

here's why you're wrong

the kaaba had 360 idols in it that were all worshipped.

do i need to continue?

So what the heck iz your point Allah was one of them thank you for proving my point

[Mansa musa]

So what the heck iz your point Allah was one of them thank you for proving my point

Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh) is the standard Arabic word for "God". The term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God.[1] Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[2] The Muslim and Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[3] In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.[4]

where did you get this junk from?

what's the difference? the site you referred to stated that One moon god called Allah was worshipped in the kaaba. when there were 360 that were worshipped in the kaaba.

[King of Axum]

Ester.
The rabbit has long been a symbol of fertility, and rabbits were sacrificed to the pagan goddess Ishtar, which is pronounced exactly like Easter, in her honor.

Eggs also are a symbol of fertility and rebirth. The goddess Astarte (Syrian for Ishtar) was believed to have hatched from a huge egg that dropped from the sky into the Euphrates river. When Astarte's (Ishtar's) husband Bel, or Baal, (Tammuzz) died, the people were ordered to mourn and fast for forty days, abstaining from meat and eggs, which were considered sacred to the goddess. From this fable comes the traditional observance of Lent.

Turns out the serving of the traditional baked ham is a vestige of the ancient practice of sacrificing a pig to the pagan goddess.


Christmas= In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

[Garnier]

Easter.
The rabbit has long been a symbol of fertility, and rabbits were sacrificed to the pagan goddess Ishtar, which is pronounced exactly like Easter, in her honor.

Eggs also are a symbol of fertility and rebirth. The goddess Astarte (Syrian for Ishtar) was believed to have hatched from a huge egg that dropped from the sky into the Euphrates river. When Astarte's (Ishtar's) husband Bel, or Baal, (Tammuzz) died, the people were ordered to mourn and fast for forty days, abstaining from meat and eggs, which were considered sacred to the goddess. From this fable comes the traditional observance of Lent.

Turns out the serving of the traditional baked ham is a vestige of the ancient practice of sacrificing a pig to the pagan goddess.

And what do easter eggs, easter bunnies and ham have to do with christianity? Easter (or resurrection day as we call it) is the day we celebrate Jesus' resurrection from the dead. Bunnies, eggs and ham have nothing to do with it.. lol

[Mansa musa]

you seriously believe that pagan arabs gave money to the poor?

lmao

[Silver Guard]

How does Christianity, a religion with clealry Jewish origins, have "pagan origins" in some kind of "extreme way"?

You aren't trying to push that "Jesus = Mithras" crap that we've debunked here two or three dozen times are you?

In its integration into being one-and-the-same as the Roman Empire, it integrated many pagan elements into its workings. Amongst these are festivals such as Christmas and All saints day, and practices such as idol-worship.

the kaaba had 360 idols in it that were all worshipped.

A pathetic and insignificant difference.

[Blau&Gruen]

Christmas

The contents of Christmas stand in a jewish tradition: the kings with the presents, the animals, the child, the messangers, etc. The date is pagan. Chanukka is a bit earlier.

God has no name in islam.

What is about the 99 names?

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

In its integration into being one-and-the-same as the Roman Empire, it integrated many pagan elements into its workings. Amongst these are festivals such as Christmas and All saints day, and practices such as idol-worship.

It did not become "one-and-the-same as the Roman Empire", since by the time Christianity became the state religion of the Empire (391 AD) Christianity had already spread far beyond the Empire and so existed in various forms separate from it.

The only Christian practice that seems to have derived from its being adopted as the state religion is the celebration of Christ's birth on December 25th. All Saint's Day developed later, out of the Celtic festival of Samhain, and had zero to do with the Roman Empire.

And the fact that Christianity adopted some pagan practices and festivals later in its history doesn't support your assertion about it having "pagan origins".

[Silver Guard]

So you show the pagan roots of Islam, well done for proving his point. It says 'possibly', creator is not necessarily supreme.

[King of Axum]

lol Mansa musa what are you trying to do nobody wrote that. thats from wikipedia and you qouted it.

[Mansa musa]

God has no name in islam.

i'm sorry for destroying your argument and ruining your thread