Why don't Atheists, Theists, and Deists on this forum shut up about philosophical speculations?

[hellas1]

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Every one of you should shut up and love one another.

Why?
We are ALL related biologically.

Why?
We are ALL responsible for what happens in our world.

Why?
We talk too damn much.

Why?
We care about one another too little.

Why?
Let's get out of our ego boxes folks.

Why?
Philosophical speculation is just that speculation.

Why?
Selfless Love is needed more than posts on a forum.

hellas1-A Biblical Christian who's done with philosophizing!

[The Prophet]

Its like saying "stop fighting" at a boxing match!

[Sidmen]

This IS a forum that was specifically designed for theological discussion. Asking people here to shut up about that is pretty dumb...

[Irishman]

Because philosophizing is extremely important. Religion is one of the most important issues of the world today, and philosophy and reason is the only way to find a code of morals and an understanding.

I do think that it is necessary that everyone remain civil, but this sort of debate is very important. In this medium, it is important for our personal lives, and on the greater scheme (philosophy in general) it is important for the survival of man.

Philosophy is one of the most important undertakings we can take.

[chilon]

Philosophy is one of the most important undertakings we can take.

Depends on how philosophy is applied.

If two rich "philosophers" spend ten years getting fat over an abundance of food and riches and arguing solely about the existence of "God" (theist vs. atheist) while children starved and died on the streets outside was that philosophical undertaking objectively valuable in any way, or more importantly, in the ways that count most as human beings?

[Seda]

I do think that it is necessary that everyone remain civil...

That's just it though: Too few people CAN remain civil on this topic. I realize it's easy to say things that offend unintentionally, but more often it's accusing religious figures of being evil in some way or another, or Atheists stating that their beliefs make them more intelligent than religious people. Pointing out weaknesses in an argument is one thing, pulling something unrelated in with intent to inflame, that's another. (I only mention Atheists because, in my experience, it's far more common for them to think Atheism makes them more intelligent than a religous man than for the other way around. I realize there are cases like that, I just don't see them nearly as often.)

If these Christian clots and punks want us to respect them, maybe they should really adopt the New Testament teaching in the first place. It seems that conflict is their tenet and pissing on Jesus Christ is their objective. You CANNOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF WAR AND RACIAL BIGROTRY while saying that you are a Christian.



To me, you're a friggin hypocrite. I'd rather live with fundamentalist Thor worshiping fanatics. At least they would teach me how to throw a hammer at a moron driving a Titan.

Funny, I don't see that many christian groups, outside the Westboros, that advocate war and destruction. And if you think Bush or americans in general view the war in the middle east as some sort of crusade, then I have nothing further to say to you.

[The Prophet]

And if you think Bush or americans in general view the war in the middle east as some sort of crusade, then I have nothing further to say to you.

But of course they do. Strange anyone would deny such an obvious thing. Bush supporters are the evangelical base. They want as much war involving muslims as possible. Remember that over 45% of Americans believe that Jesus will return to earth very soon. And he cannot return until "War of Armageddon". So demanding warfare and conflict against Muslim "devils" is a core part of evangelical faith.

Read this book by the great journalist and writer Christ Hedges:

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fasci.../dp/0743284437

It explains all.

[Gaidin]

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It sucks. To be honest.

Every one of you should shut up and love one another.

That's boring.

Why?
We are ALL related biologically.

Why?
We are ALL responsible for what happens in our world.

Why?
We talk too damn much.

Why?
We care about one another too little.

Why?
Let's get out of our ego boxes folks.

Why?
Philosophical speculation is just that speculation.

Why?
Selfless Love is needed more than posts on a forum.

Your point?

hellas1-A Biblical Christian who's done with philosophizing!

Aww...that's too bad. It'd have been fun to see everybody jump you...

[Maverick]

I kind of agree. I like to philosophize but I'm also aware of how unimporant my personal philosophy is, especially to other people. If I may, I think philosophy is the tradition of a different breed of human than contemporary man, even the greats like Kant and Hume were just writing footnotes to Plato and Aristotle, in a manner of speaking. You really need a moral upbringing in my opinion to truly appreciate it and it was probably never intended to be "studied" so much as impressed on you from a good mentor.

Maybe the best thing about philosophy today is that it should remove any sense of ego or granduer and lead to questions, not answers to be barking at other people. If after studying philosophy you reason there is no god and you should tell the world, you are probably not comprehending it.

As for morality, I'm not sure a bad person was ever swayed to reason by the words of any eloquent philosopher or theologian. I think the best either religion or philosophy can do is reinforce those natural instincts, if you have them. Maybe the best thing you can possibly do then is to be a good Father, unless you are lucky enough to have influence on people who aren't your kids, that way there's a couple less bastards running around this big rock.

Ah... I just said I'm aware of how unimportant my ideas are, and said them anyways so maybe another product of philosophy there, freedom of thought, freedom to be a hypocrite.

[iudas]

Hmmm, this is good advice. I've wasted a lot of time in the EMM. At least I've learned something...

[Erwin Rommel]

yuo can't its kinda like human nature, next thing you know, they'll start talking about the law of exquivalent exchange!

[Kanaric]

Because people want to ask questions and ponder ideas about life and ideas and bounce it off other members?

Why are you so mad about it? There is no reason to be unless you are some immature deadbrain.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

If people stopped posting here, then others would stop learning too.

[sephodwyrm]

Hellas - a biblical christian who has stopped philosophizing and embarked on the pathway of religious tyranny demanding people to shut up.

Well done.
Another point for the atheists.
We don't ask people to shut up. We just blatantly point out the truth in their books of faith and morals.

[ZaPPPa]

Freedom of speech > religion

[Irishman]

If two rich "philosophers" spend ten years getting fat over an abundance of food and riches and arguing solely about the existence of "God" (theist vs. atheist) while children starved and died on the streets outside was that philosophical undertaking objectively valuable in any way, or more importantly, in the ways that count most as human beings?

Of course. I am speaking of philosophy in general (I am on course to become a professor), which I would never limit to one discussion. Ethics and treatment of those worse off than you would be a major part of one's personal philosophical inquest too.

[chilon]

Of course. I am speaking of philosophy in general (I am on course to become a professor), which I would never limit to one discussion. Ethics and treatment of those worse off than you would be a major part of one's personal philosophical inquest too.

My stance on philosophy and philosophers is very close to John Dewey's take.

[hellas1]

Hi all,

@Sephodwyrm,
Why are you putting words in mouth pal? I advise you not do that. Your statement belongs to a immature punk.The title of this thread, in part, is "Philosophical speculation."

Speculation means "I don't know, but I think that my thinking will get me there or maybe near there." "There" being a correct perspective on life, liberty, and the real pursuit of happiness, whatever that means to you and "God."

Kant, as did the Buddha, and so does the bible, state that we, given our finite senses and brain cannot know ultimate reality via thinking or speculating about IT, or making science our God because by it's nature science is everchanging and learning. Ask a Quantum Physicist about "Reality."
This forum is just a breeding hate ground.
I've seen little humility when anyone here discusses what they believe.
How about sharing from a compassionate viewpoint?

I'd like to see historical proofs from Theists about why they hold their religious persuasions, scientific proof from Deists regarding the existence of God/Gods, and non-shifty hard scientific proofs from Atheists about why they don't believe and leave it at that.

Why, Why, Why, Why, Why, Why,........ad infinitum.
As humans we will never know everything but we should endeavor to learn about everything, why not?

That's all I'm saying, hellas1

[removeduser_487563287433]

If you want somewhere where people don't discuss things then a forum is possibly not the best place.

[Earl of Rochester]

Did some atheist upset you or something?