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    Formerly, the Sun was the largest object in the Solar System. Now, comet 17P/Holmes holds that distinction.

    Spectacular outbursting comet 17P/Holmes exploded in size and brightness on October 24. It continues to expand and is now the largest single object in the Solar system, being bigger than the Sun (see Figure). The diameter of the tenuous dust atmosphere of the comet was measured at 1.4 million kilometers (0.9 million miles) on 2007 November 9 by Rachel Stevenson, Jan Kleyna and Pedro Lacerda of the University of Hawaii Institute for Astronomy. They used observations from a wide-field camera on the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope (CFHT), one of the few professional instruments still capable of capturing the whole comet in one image. Other astronomers involved in the UH program to study the comet include Bin Yang, Nuno Peixinho and David Jewitt. The present eruption of comet Holmes was first reported on October 24 and has continued at a steady 0.5 km/sec (1100 mph) ever since. The comet is an unprecedented half a million times brighter than before the eruption began. This amazing eruption of the comet is produced by dust ejected from a tiny solid nucleus made of ice and rock, only 3.6 km (roughly 2.2 miles) in diameter.

    The new image also shows the growth of a tail on comet Holmes (the fuzzy region to the lower right in the comet picture), caused by the pressure of sunlight acting on dust grains in the coma. Over the next few weeks and months, the coma and tail are expected to expand even more while the comet will fade as the dust disperses. Comet Holmes showed a double outburst in November 1892 and January 1893. It is not known if the present activity in the comet will follow the pattern from 1892, but continued observations from Mauna Kea are planned to watch for a second outburst. Most comets show small fluctuations in brightness and some have distinct outbursts. The huge event on-going in comet Holmes is unprecedented, however.

    The orbit period of comet Holmes is about 6 years, putting it in the class of Jupiter Family Comets whose orbits are strongly influenced by Jupiter. These objects are thought to have spent most of the last 4.5 billion years orbiting the Sun beyond Neptune, in a region known as the Kuiper Belt. Holmes probably was deflected into its present orbit within the last few thousand years and is losing mass as it evaporates in the heat of the Sun. In another few thousand years it is likely either to hit the Sun or a planet, be ejected from the Solar system, or simply die by running out of gas.
    Wow thats a ****load of spacedust
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    Doesn't look like a comet to me.

    If it is, it looks like a transparent comet...

    Well, that's crazy though.
    I hope it "dies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Arnatuilë View Post
    Doesn't look like a comet to me.

    If it is, it looks like a transparent comet...

    Well, that's crazy though.
    I hope it "dies."
    Transparent? The dust trail is. But see that tiny White spot inside all the blue?

    Thats the Nucleus. The only solid part of the whole thing. But god damn thats a huge ass dust cloud!!
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    Wait, so it's not a solid comet?

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    >_>
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    Quite impressive...
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    may i be the first to say: "that is ****ing awesome"

    magnitude 17 to 2.5 in a few days thats phenomenal
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    Indeed. I think I may have even seen it in the Northeast sky the other night. It looked like a fuzzy ball of blue-something. I had no idea what it was at the time!! But fortunatley this comet fits the descripton
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    Damn imagine a dust cloud like that hitting us.

    Arabia don't look so bad anymore.

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    thats actually a really interesting question, what would happen if it hit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary88 View Post
    thats actually a really interesting question, what would happen if it hit?
    At the very least one kick ass meteor shower. Probably **** up telecommunications for a while too.
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    Its bigger than the sun. The dust cloud would just **** this world right up.

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    The dust would probably blot out the sun and we would all freeze to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    The dust would probably blot out the sun and we would all freeze to death.
    Well, that sounds fantastical...

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    Originally Posted by Thanatos
    The dust would probably blot out the sun and we would all freeze to death.

    Well, that sounds fantastical...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    No wonder churches fill so quickly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnec View Post
    ...Fantastical is a word I like to use out of context, a habit given to me by my best friend who lives in Flynn. If that was an attempt to make fun of me because of my choice in words, you have failed.

    If it was an attempt to make fun of me because I would be eager to become Christian for fear of Judgment, you have failed, as I am not entirely sure myself if there is a traditional "afterlife" as we call it, and I doubt you know the theology why.

    If you quoted me simply to reply to this thread, than your choice of post was poor because your comment could be construed as a thinly veiled insult.

    OR... It's 4:20 in the morning and I just want to throttle my prissy, pretentious, prick of a roommate.


    All of the above?


    Naw, I was just pointing out the irony of science showing a mass larger than the sun that could blot out our light and kill us all and why there's little wonder people go to fill up a church and pray to God. Ironic that science proves one thing and leaves the rest to Church. In a way.
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    This entire ball of dust is being created by an eruption from a 2.2 mile diameter comet.

    Think about it, 2.2 miles of ice and dirt, spread over the diameter of the sun. That's not very dense.

    If this thing engulfed the earth, unless we were hit by the core, we wouldn't even notice it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    This entire ball of dust is being created by an eruption from a 2.2 mile diameter comet.

    Think about it, 2.2 miles of ice and dirt, spread over the diameter of the sun. That's not very dense.

    If this thing engulfed the earth, unless we were hit by the core, we wouldn't even notice it.
    Absolutely correct, unless you're talking about a bullet, or maybe a (gas) grenade there is no real danger of a small object kiling you.

    The ancients did believe they were the portent of plagues, and we ofcourse don't know the exact origin of the gascloud, and apparently there are quite a few loose pre-amino acid clouds out there. Don't think there's any scientific connection between those two facts, but the ancients weren't always as daft as we credit them for.

    As to the size of the comet itself, it would depend on the impact velocity, that can vary enormously, and makes a big difference. Even 2.2 miles could ruin your day.
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    Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the tread!
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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