Arch of Noah

[karo]

I've been doing a litlle thinking about Noah and his boat. Let's start with the animals first, he got two of each animal. Why didn't fowxes eat the dam rabbits and who did they survive in the stanch of all that poop for 40 days.

And now if all people died and only Noah and his family survived. They were semtics, because there story is writing by semtics. So were do the whites and blacks and asian come from.

I can't understan why there are people still believing this.

[Irishman]

Noah's ark as it is stated in the bible is not physically possible. Besides the lack of space, and the amount of feces on the ship, the idea that EVERY animal in the world (including those from alien countries like Australia) would be on a boat is outrageous. Noah is a myth, pure and simple (like the rest of the Bible).

Now, there may have been a farmer who saved his livestock from a flood (regional) by building a raft, but it is clear that the scale and duration of the myth is exaggerated.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I've been doing a litlle thinking about Noah and his boat.

Ship.

[karo]

Ship.

Ok his ship are you now happy ferret lol

[iudas]

Why do you expect a story invented 3000 years ago to make scientific sense? Now only it's metaphoric meaning is of any value at all.

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's thousands of years older than that. The deluge myth goes back to the oldest historical record.

[Chaigidel]

the original story noah was a merchant/farmer in the fertile crescent and more than likely lived on the edge of the floodplain and the persian gulf.

there was a documented enormous flood in ancient babylon which washed much out to the persian gulf-- in the original story noah and his family/livestock get swept out to sea and drift around for weeks until they land on the island which is now part of bahrain.-- blah blah they live happily ever after.

but the other story of noah is actually the more "mystical" one presented by the "book of enoch" of coptic christianity.

[Roman Knight]

Like the rest of the bible, it is interpretive, it will tell you something about morals or god.

And the story about skin colours is that Moses had three sons, one was yellow and went to Asia, one was black and went to Africa, the other was white and went to Europe.

But believing it literally is uneducated and pathetic.

[removeduser_487563287433]

the original story noah was a merchant/farmer in the fertile crescent and more than likely lived on the edge of the floodplain and the persian gulf.

there was a documented enormous flood in ancient babylon which washed much out to the persian gulf-- in the original story noah and his family/livestock get swept out to sea and drift around for weeks until they land on the island which is now part of bahrain.-- blah blah they live happily ever after.

but the other story of noah is actually the more "mystical" one presented by the "book of enoch" of coptic christianity.

Source these 'documents' please.

[William the Bastard]

Source these 'documents' please.

He probably means this -

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[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Source these 'documents' please.

I'm guessing he's referring to the find of a layer of silt deposits in the Middle East in the Nineteenth Century which led researchers to believe they had found evidence of the flood that inspired the stories in Genesis and Gilgamesh. Whether anyone has ever actually worked out how extensive this flood was or whether it's of the right date or not I don't know. Nineteenth Century enthusiasts were very good at "finding" evidence of stuff in the Bible - that doesn't mean the things they found actually fitted the bill.

[Turbo]

I've been doing a litlle thinking about Noah and his boat. Let's start with the animals first, he got two of each animal. Why didn't fowxes eat the dam rabbits and who did they survive in the stanch of all that poop for 40 days.

And now if all people died and only Noah and his family survived. They were semtics, because there story is writing by semtics. So were do the whites and blacks and asian come from.

I can't understan why there are people still believing this.

Belief in this case is spirtual based and doesn't require to be supported by conjecture whether something is possible or not. Since anything is possible with God, I worry less about whether something is intellectually feasible than I do about faith and trust in the Lord.

[Kanaric]

Belief in this case is spirtual based and doesn't require to be supported by conjecture whether something is possible or not. Since anything is possible with God, I worry less about whether something is intellectually feasible than I do about faith and trust in the Lord.

The lord's faith in you is that he has faith that you know metaphor when you see it.

Also "god" didn't create the arc in this myth, Noah did. He only told him to build it and no man could build such a thing.

[Turbo]

The lord's faith in you is that he has faith that you know metaphor when you see it.

Also "god" didn't create the arc in this myth, Noah did. He only told him to build it and no man could build such a thing.

Have you honestly read the book of Genesis? I've read it several times and it deals at some length about the ark (not 'arc'). The depth of detail is such that it is not intended solely as a metaphor. I do accept that it alludes to the rite of baptism.

I've heard similar things said about the pyramids, the inca wonders, and many other things that were theorized as impossible for men to build. Some people also believed that UFO's and space men created them.

At the end of the day, ancient men were far more ingenious and resourceful than modern science gives them credit for. Do I think a man could build an ark to the dimensions given in the bible? Absolutely.

[MaximiIian]

I've heard similar things said about the pyramids, the Inca wonders.

The problem is, the pyramids and Incan structures are basically orderly stacked rocks, if you want to look at it simply.
Very different from building a boat the size of a modern aircraft-carrier out of wood and nail. It simply would not be able to support its own mass without a superstructure extensive enough to consume all the lumber in the middle east.

[basics]

When John the Baptists sent enquirers to Jesus His reply was, " The blind receive sight, the lame walk, lepers are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised and the good news is preached to the poor," and it concerns you that the notion of the Ark is beyond God because you do not know Him.

Your concern is or should be if God can do that why am I missing out?

[Rush Limbaugh]

Heres how it really went down

Noah's Ark

[Eksadiss]

I worry less about whether something is intellectually feasible than I do about faith and trust in the Lord.

Behold! The source of all our problems!

[mongrel]

Someone posted something rather silly on the Athaneum. I have asked the moderators to rehouse it as it is not relevant to the topic to hand. But the points raised are relevant here as it would appear that from some posts that the "Curse of Ham myth" still seems to be around in this day and age. Here's a link

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...37#post2394437

[basics]

It has been said and only recently that if all humans were brought together they could stand side by side on the Isle of Wight and there are perhaps slightly more than 6 billion of them. In Noah's day the population was nowhere near that neither was the creature population.

That said there still stands the number of species made at the creation and taking out those that lived in the seas it leaves not an inconsiderable number with which to deal with and the time required to do that. So taking these things into account is it impossible that a structure calculated to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high incapable of holding all that Noah was asked to do?

Remember that the structure is a three decker and not shaped like our ships are for the purpose was not to sail rather to survive and survive for one year as Scripture describes rather than the forty days in which it rained for time was needed for recession of water and drying out of land. It's only requirement was that it floated.

Now there are two parts to the story of the building of the Ark beginning in chapter 6 of Genesis and ending in chapter 7. Within them there are two distinctions in time and number. Chapter 6 lays down God's will while chapter 7 lays down the exactitude that His will demands. In fact the time was now down to seven days left to complete the embarkation.

It is therefore obvious that the time to build and the time to gather was given in 6 while the time for completion and embarkation was 7. But in 7 there is an additive conducive to the overall reason for some to survive at all and that was the number of clean animals was not two of each but seven of each. The reason becoming clear when dry land came about once more.

You see all this was not some imaginary story told as some would have us believe. Neither is it figurative but an example of the power of God to save if only seen in one family. And, by it's example it shows that God does save without favour since Noah never knew prior to his instructions what he would have to accomplish nor even what was about to happen to his world.

Yet overall and by hindsight we can now see that the whole episode pointed to Jesus Christ and saving grace. Perhaps that is why so many deride the whole idea that it ever happened at all. It's reality makes all else in Scripture that bit more true and that frightens them. Everything in Scripture is there for the knocking but few that knock do not fail to rush to have solace from a priest as their own day of judgement approaches.