Kingdom of the Scots-Version 2.2 Installation Guide, FAQ and Problems Thread

[The Border Reiver]

******Important Patch Update********

Installation - Patch 2.0 for Version 2.0 Beta - Kingdom of the Scots - 14Nov07

This Patch will be released tonight 14Nov07 after final testing.
This Patch will bring the Version of the Mod to Version 2.2.
This Patch will come with an installer.

http://www.badongo.com/file/5133338

**this patch may or may not work aesthetically as it overwrites the map.rwm mid game. It worked for me but it may not work for you. If your battle or campaign image is not right, you will need to start a new game**

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This thread is for bugs and other ctd's only. Please do not report Installation Problems in this thread. Please post those in the Installation Problems thread.

While I understand ctd's are very annoying, they are certainly "a fact of life" when modding. The current version of the game is a Beta and as such the more people are playing and reporting, the more chance I'll be told of a bug when it arises. Please bear this in mind before criticising.

Where you can you need to supply the following information:

1. Your Faction
2. The Turn and Year
3. Was the ctd in battle or campaign
4. Did the game restart when reloaded
5. Post your saved game file!
6. Post your error log!

****Very Important. You should always save any mod as you go. With ctds, you can most of the time work around them by changing what occurs prior to the ctd***

Current List of Reported Bugs

[The Border Reiver]

Hi Guys

We have released and updated the download link for Version 2.2 of Kingdom of the Scots. For this please check the download thread for the link.

Please feel free to add feedback and suggestions to this thread, whilst leaving bugs in the "Bugs" thread!

Enjoy
The Border Reiver and The Bruce

[DaVinci]

Ups, no feedback posts ... ?

I playtested this version with the Scots, although i wanted first waiting on the next release, but i was too curious. I must say this mod has a lot flavour and potencial to become a favourite one for me, thanks to you

For my taste, you need still to balance the combat to have the battles and the unit properties more realistic, but it is though good playable what i experienced as yet, although i will eventually mod them to my liking, if i become a real fan of this mod with the next version update

[The Border Reiver]

Ups, no feedback posts ... ?

I playtested this version with the Scots, although i wanted first waiting on the next release, but i was too curious. I must say this mod has a lot flavour and potencial to become a favourite one for me, thanks to you

For my taste, you need still to balance the combat to have the battles and the unit properties more realistic, but it is though good playable what i experienced as yet, although i will eventually mod them to my liking, if i become a real fan of this mod with the next version update

Hey Da Vinci....thanks for making a post! With over 2400 downloads (including old links no longer used) you were the first to leave feedback here in this post

How do you see the battles being a bit more realistic? Which units would you have changes made to and what would you suggest.?

All suggestions will be really helpful!

@swagger...thanks mate....the advertising on the Home Page paid off with nearly 4000 hits to all topics, 200 new downloads in 3 days! Thnaks to Halie Satanus and the TWC!

[Swagger]

well...congrats for have your mod in the daily news

[Swagger]

but if you want suggestions...

please make a suggestion thread..

i have a bunch of suggestions to give

[DaVinci]

How do you see the battles being a bit more realistic? Which units would you have changes made to and what would you suggest.?

A decisive thing is to reduce the attack stats and increasing the def skill.

Close combat will be more realistic, as it will need more time to kill a unit.
Only elite units like knights should have an easier/quicker play to strike the enemy down. And imo., no peasant should be able to put down a knight, only in certain circumstances like if they are completely encircled as ie. in town streets.

You could check out the SV combat stats for example, but take care, the knights and especially the general/bg's are real elite fighters, and not everybody likes that, if a knight charge is that deadly.

[The Border Reiver]

Da Vinci....thanks for letting me know about this. It's good to get others feedback to improve the battle aspect of this. I will speak to Naimad about this.

Swagger what suggestions do you have about the defnsive stats as well?

[Swagger]

well i think i will use this forum to make my suggestions:

here they are:
-delete no_costum in the general units (the heroes such as henry V, richard the lion..., saladin etc soo they will be playable in costum battles- Minor Change
-add shiltrom to all militias..only spearman (sergeant spearman etc) have them
-add shield wall to norwegian troops:-viking raiders, dism. huscarls, norse swordsman (maybe not this one)

-PS:shield wall doesn't have a icon in the stratpage:
--or you do it
--or it will shows the grab siege equipment one

-change diplomacy in the FACTION_STANDING
--what i did is majorly trangressions:
--when you sack a city (no matter what grade) your relations with all other factions will be reduced by 0.2
--when you exterminate a settlement it will be reduced by 0.5
--capture settlement changed to 0.005
--when you cross a enemy region it will be reduced by 0.3


I LOVE THE IDEA OF CHANGING HERETIC TO HIGHLAND (RELIGION)

BECOUSE HERETIC ARE NOT IN USE..

BE AWERE (bad spelled) you might have to give to te chuch :in descr-building
that it converts X to highland


i don't remember more...
when i do i'll post it here

[The Border Reiver]

@Swagger...you have some good points here.

1. no_custom...good idea, I'll remove this from some of the units and change the names of the units for this mod. Owing to the fact that by adding 3 new factions I reached the 31 Faction limit I have had to reuse non used factions. Therefore, only factions playable in this mod will be playable in custom battles, as we are unsure how many factions we'll eventually add.

2. schiltrom to militias...I understand the militias will fight better with schiltroms but these are supposed to be inexperienced levies only....maybe adding to spear militia only and call them spearmen not spear militia!

3. shield wall - added to dismounted huscarls and vikings including mercs

4. Faction standings - I will add all of these

5. Thanks for the reminder about the church buildings, I had forgotten them

I have changed the title of this thread to Feedback and Suggestions!

[Swagger]

GOD BLESS ME


i'm glad to help



credits should be given



joking


ps: go to my swagger version topic

it explains there how projectiles/missiles work

if you are intrested i can send you via e-mail

[The Border Reiver]

Swagger...have no fear my friend...any help you can offer the Bruce and I will be fully credited and rep given.

I appreciate you taking the time and interest to enhance this mod.

[Swagger]

rep given huh...





it's no problem..im glad to help

[The Border Reiver]

rep given huh...



it's no problem..im glad to help

thanks mate

[KnightsofEngland]

hope your going to add ornamentum, also english redressed and the skins implemented in secilian vespers (think thier burreks)- i use these two, redressed for higher and burreks for shields and lower armored soldiers.

[The Border Reiver]

hope your going to add ornamentum, also english redressed and the skins implemented in secilian vespers (think thier burreks)- i use these two, redressed for higher and burreks for shields and lower armored soldiers.

Yes the Bruce and I would like to implement others work in this mod such as the skins you have mentioned!

We first must get the permission of the creators! (thanks for the reminder)!

[Swagger]

border reiver



when do you give me the images for make THE BRUCE PORTRAITS ??

[Rook_US]

Your mod has brought on a reinstall of Medieval 2 and Kingdoms, truly the work you are doing looks superb! However, as feedback goes, some negative will come, let me be the first ... As personal taste is always in the eye of the beholder, I have found a dislike for some of Burrek's work. Perhaps it is just me, yet it seems too colorful and rich to be used on all the units ... I prefer a plain, grunge look to the average soldier. Without being to specific and pointing out all units that I would, or would not like to be changed: it can best be summed up that Ornamentum's re-skins look like an excellent compromise. Even if some say they are too colorful... making me a hypocrite...

Aside from this, I would have to put my vote in with the previous mentioned Attack and Defense statistical changes. Grueling long fights only adds to the immersion and feel of being in "Mount and Blade" warfare, at least for me. Besides, this is Total War! Not: Arcade War! But, if that is not the mod you wish to make..

Cavalry charge :hmmm: I have wandered about this for a while, and it seems innocent to ask: Why make Cavalry charges weaker? Would it perhaps be possible to make them destroy peasants in a charge and hack the remainder down with sword or axe? Yet have a tougher time with, say, Spearmen
Or... does it not matter what the Cavalry is charging, their Charge is, for lack of a better term, All or Nothing?

Thanks for putting up with my moaning and groaning

- Powell

[The Border Reiver]

Hi Powell...criticism, both negative and positive is always a positive for me. That means someone is taking the time to play and comment on our work, even if I don't agree then it's still good. I'll reply to your points in point form.

1. Burreks textures...I can't skin so anyones work is better than mine. We will use some of Burreks and Ornamentums skins but not many....as like you I find some of them too colourful. While colour, pomp, and ceremony was a hallmark of medieval times, the average commoner and foot soldiers wer not immacutelt turned out.

2. I really thought my present settings made battles last longer, but will be adding extra defense as suggested and provided by Da Vinci!

3. Cavalry charges have always been a bone of contention since the day RTW first came out. I have limited the ability of General units to charge and mantain a melee to protect them.

But with normal cavalry, they should be able to roll over everyone except pike and armoured knights etc.

Thanks for the reminder about having to adjust this aspect of my game

[Swagger]

and when will you make the next battle preview/version preview ??
you said was after the new year..it has been a week


when will you give me THE BRUCE images ?

don't you want the portraits ?