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    EU 'should expand beyond Europe'


    Foreign Secretary David Miliband has suggested the European Union should work towards including Russia, Middle Eastern and North African countries. He said enlargement was "our most powerful tool" for extending stability.
    In his first major speech on the UK's relationship with Europe, he said the EU would not become a "superpower" but should be a "role model" for the world.
    It could be a "model power of regional co-operation" dedicated to free trade, the environment and tackling extremism.

    He said the EU must "keep our promises to Turkey", adding: "If we fail.... it will signal a deep and dangerous divide between east and west.
    "Beyond that we must keep the door open, retaining the incentive for change and the prospect of membership provides."
    Mr Miliband made his address at the College of Europe in Bruges, Belgium, where Baroness Thatcher delivered her famous warning against "some sort of identikit European personality" almost exactly two decades ago in September 1988.
    US 'only superpower'
    Mr Miliband said that speech had been "haunted by demons - a European superstate bringing in socialism by the back door".
    But he said: "The truth is that the EU has enlarged, remodelled and opened up. It is not and is not going to become a superstate. But neither is it destined to become a superpower."




    Instead he said the EU had the chance to be a "model power" which could develop shared values between countries.
    "As a club that countries want to join, it can persuade countries to play by the rules, and set global standards. In the way it dispenses its responsibilities around the world, it can be a role model that others follow."
    Extremism and insecurity
    Mr Miliband said new threats, like protectionism, religious extremism, energy insecurity, rogue and failing states and climate change provided a new "raison d'etre" for the EU.
    He outlined four principles for the "next generation" of Europe, for it to remain open to "trade, ideas and investment", to develop shared institutions to overcome religious and cultural divides, to prevent conflict by championing international law and human rights in and outside Europe, and to become a "low carbon power".
    He said a successful EU must be prepared to "deploy soft and hard power to promote democracy and tackle conflict beyond its borders".




    He said the goal "must be a multilateral free-trade zone around our periphery".
    This would be a "version of the European Free Trade Association that could gradually bring the countries of the Mahgreb, the Middle East and Eastern Europe in line with the single market, not as an alternative to membership, but potentially as a step towards it".
    And the EU should extend military support to places like Darfur, he argued, to help solve problems of unwanted migration.
    'Embarrassing'
    He also said European nations had to "improve their capabilities".
    "It's frankly embarrassing that when European nations - with almost two million men and women under arms - are only able, at a stretch, to deploy around 100,000 at any one time," he said.
    "European countries have around 1,200 transport helicopters, yet only 35 are deployed in Afghanistan. And EU member states haven't provided any helicopters in Darfur despite the desperate need there."
    Long-term regulations were needed to phase out carbon emissions in key areas - by reducing vehicle emissions and work towards "a zero-emission vehicle standard across Europe".
    He said that by 2020, all new coal-fired power stations must be fitted with "carbon capture and storage".
    In a reference to the failed EU Constitution, he said: "The constitutional debate shows that people don't want major institutional upheaval. Unanimity is slow but it respects national identities."
    But his Conservative counterpart William Hague said Mr Miliband and his colleagues were "ramming that constitution through under a new name and refusing to give voters a say at an election or a referendum" - a reference to the EU Reform treaty.
    "The fact is that if the renamed constitution goes through we will have a more inward-looking Europe," said Mr Hague.
    "The treaty's clauses will make the EU more protectionist and less competitive and give the EU more power to interfere with crucial areas like our criminal justice system."





    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7095657.stm


    I must admit, it's the last thing I thought we'd say. Anyway, what are your thoughts?
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    Adding Russia, Turkey, and ME countries would turn the EU into an even more impotent mini UN.

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    We'd probably have to rename it too...
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    I agree with the statement in general, that there should be local unions of nations with shared values and history although they should not be one huge EU
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    welcome to the new world order

    absolutely retarded. not even the crackhead dictatorships/democracies in the muslim world would aggree to this
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    Russia wont join in its current state. And bringing in countries from outside of Europe would be a mistake.

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    i'm guessing this has something to do with the new middle east that the neocons are talking about creating

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    There are few better ways forward for European nations and the countries closest linked to it than this sentiment, however the proof is in the pudding, the policy mechanics matters more than the rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    i'm guessing this has something to do with the new middle east that the neocons are talking about creating
    What are you talking about?
    David Milliband is a neocon and I never noticed whilst living in the UK.
    Someone please wake me up. /sarcasm off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paggers View Post
    What are you talking about?
    David Milliband is a neocon and I never noticed whilst living in the UK.
    Someone please wake me up. /sarcasm off.
    Mansa produced a map showing revised middle eastern political borders invented by a retired colonel and columnist last week and lied to the forum claiming that it was pentagon and US governmental policy.

    It of course isn't and was shot down immediately by the intelligent members of the forum but Mansa is still dribbling on about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Mansa produced a map showing revised middle eastern political borders invented by a retired colonel and columnist last week and lied to the forum claiming that it was pentagon and US governmental policy.

    It of course isn't and was shot down immediately by the intelligent members of the forum but Mansa is still dribbling on about it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East

    the map being an official government document claim was shot down. but apparently the "intelligent" members on this forum said that the whole argument was flawed because of this small difference and decided to declare shenanigans.

    oh and p.s the "columnist" was shoppin this idea to the pentagon

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    i'd choose israel.
    white over brown. it's not too hard of a descision
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa
    white over brown. it's not too hard of a descision
    More accurately free and modern over barbaric and backward.

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    What ME countries are going to join the EU? Israel? Turkey? They are pretty much European in everything but name.....

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    I think this ranks up there with one of the dumbest ideas ever uttered by a person. It is so naively stupid that it is staggering. Why exactly would Russia join and more importantly why would quite a few members who problems with Russia want them to join. Also the middle east? Who? The Saudis? Iran? Sure you can aim for Egypt and Jordan but to what purpose? I suggest David Miliband lay cut back on whatever drugs he is currently taking.

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    Default Re: "EU should expand" says Britain

    I guess you could add Russia and Turkey as they're both partially in Europe. Middle East and North Africa though? More like some sort of 'Old World' Union.

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    Well there's a good chance that Turkey will one day join the EU. I can't ever see Russia making the step to be honest, or any of the North African states. Long memories of colonialism and all. Still, I think he makes a good point about the EU being a stabilising force rather than trying to be a superpower.
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    We'll join...

    Nah. I always thought Australia should be the head of some South Pacific Political Union. The only nation nearby that comes close to threatening us is Indonesia.


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    Yes, them and their million man army seem to enjoy shaking their fist at you aussies every now and then. Can't say I blame them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Yes, them and their million man army seem to enjoy shaking their fist at you aussies every now and then. Can't say I blame them
    A million? Try 300,000 - compared to 25,000 for the Australian Army.

    They'd never do anything, though. We'd be able to hold our own, and then about a dozen nations would come to our aid. And if Finland has anything to teach us...





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    Quote Originally Posted by ~The Doctor~ View Post
    We'll join...

    Nah. I always thought Australia should be the head of some South Pacific Political Union. The only nation nearby that comes close to threatening us is Indonesia.
    Why would Aussie be afraid of us Indonesians? We are very nice and friendly people.

    In fact, we love Australia.

    Except when you bastards attempt to break us apart. Now you can have fun taking care of East Timor. They are a handful, aren't they? LOL just kidding.
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