Hello, extra set of hands on the job

[Burninator]

Hey guys, I've been talking to dvk901 about adding some modeling in for RS. I've often seen wonderful legionaries using the default rtw swords, and to me it ruined the look, soooo after a long time lurking around the forums and doing stuff on my pc for just me, and after RS drew me back in to RTW, I would like to go ahead and give something back .

My skills are limited for now, but at present I am working on making better equipment for the higher LOD models. Currently, I have 4 different types of Gladius made, depending on the time periods the units are in. hastati, principii, and triarii all receive gladius hispaniensis, and if I'm not mistaken the velites and other auxiliaries should receive these as well. with the caesarian and augustinian legions ive been using fulham and mainz type swords, and the late imperial legions will have pompeii type swords. Generals, decurions, and cavalry will get spathas, and i'd like to give centurions the same swords as the units they are with, though that may mean having separate centurions for different eras.

I've been using this site
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/gladius.html

as a general reference to hilt/scabard designs, and there was a nifty drawing
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/blades.gif
here that actually gave good outlines and scale references to make the swords from. I used the presumption that the swords in the game were supposed to be pompeii types, so i scaled the swords to the original game sword. Here are the 4 current gladii, posed with a principes shield and helmet. With some better textures for the hilts and such, they could look much better.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9...displayjx6.jpg

From left to right, they are gladius hispaniensis, Mainz, Fulham, and Pompeii. You can see how much longer the hispaniensis is than the pompeii, so in-game the hispaniensis seems fairly long, but then again it was a longer sword. The site above has some really good links to original museum finds and such, which is where they reference their replicas and equipment.

In any case, here is the princeps with the hispaniensis.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1...ncipii2nb4.jpg

I'll have the caesarian and augustinians up soon. If there's any thing glaringly wrong, let me know. it may be good to lay out a difinitive timeline of what was used when, so everything will kind of flow together from an equipment standpoint. And yes, I make long winded posts

OH, almost forgot, I could easily update the models in like, and afternoon. i have a pretty good routine down, so i'm pretty quick at it.

[♔Jean-Luc Picard♔]

welcome to the team

Skan

[swhunter]

Good to have you !

[Mulattothrasher]

Hey man, I'm new as well. You'll like your stay here. The guys are easy going, and friendly.

Your skills will come in handy fer sure

[aja5191]

Yeah.

Welcome!

[dvk901]

Now that's something new...a weapons expert!

[tone]

Fantastic! Welcome, see my pm about looking to improve the legions further - some alternative helmets on the imperial legions, maybe have one or two caesarean / augustinian ones too, changing the shields to a full UV mapping.

We also have permission to use the Res Gestae Romans so we could possibly increase the variety that way too.

[Lost In Transition]

Welcome! And because someone did it for me when I joined th team: plus rep!

[icydawgfish]

Hello. Good to have some new people.

[DR. Hobo. PHD.]

welcome, all your base are belong to us now.

[Squid]

Welcome to the team!!

You do realize this will cause a problem . . . if you improve the Romans anymore we'll never hear the end of it from dvk!!

[dvk901]

Welcome to the team!!

You do realize this will cause a problem . . . if you improve the Romans anymore we'll never hear the end of it from dvk!!

Come on now! Nothing has been done for the Romans since before RS1 was released!

[rory o'kane]

LIES! SCANDALOUS LIES!

[mdg1125]

wooohoo. I think the oars are getting easier to row. . Then again Welcome to the team.

[rory o'kane]

work faster, little slaves!
oh, and welcome to the team!

[rory o'kane]

well, that's not exactly true:
What We've Done For the Romans (Since RS Came Out):
Individual Auxiliary Infantry Units
Individual Auxiliary Cavalry Units
Individual Auxiliary Archer Units
Added the Castra Praetoriana
Adding the Limes Forts
Adding the AOR units (Aeduian Infantry etc).
Added the Villa Tree
Added the Cohortes Evocati...
that's all i can think of at the moment...

[dvk901]

well, that's not exactly true:
What We've Done For the Romans (Since RS Came Out):
Individual Auxiliary Infantry Units
Individual Auxiliary Cavalry Units
Individual Auxiliary Archer Units
Added the Castra Praetoriana
Adding the Limes Forts
Adding the AOR units (Aeduian Infantry etc).
Added the Villa Tree
Added the Cohortes Evocati...
that's all i can think of at the moment...

Dang it Rory! Blabber mouth. I wasn't talking about that stuff.
I meant like, you know, cool 'Toned' and 'AE'd' units like..you know..Seleucid and stuff. I mean, I'm not like, unhappy with the Romans...but I see what Tone and AE does with the Greeks and the Barbs, and..well...I just want to cry.

[DR. Hobo. PHD.]

who said we couldnt do that to the romans too? hehehehehee

[Burninator]

Would the rs 1.5 release end up waiting on updated models, or might these end up towards rs2.0? I keep forgetting what year 1.5 is supposed to end in year AD. because if it were say before late first century AD, we could remove the late "imperial" legions, as segmentata didn't seem to appear before late first century. I'm still trying to get some more concrete dates/time periods for when what armor/swords were used, though this may never be "agreed" upon since only little tiny pieces of segmentata armor have even been found, and i still don't trust carbon dating. I have been scrolling through museum photos, re-enactor sites (there are a few out there who are directly linked with the museums/collections that study roman equipment, and back up their equipment requirements for members with reference to actual artifacts ) and the few books I have to try and get a good idea of who used what, when they used it, and where. Plus two pieces of armour were rarely the same as they were all hand made, no machining, no stamping from sheet metal. all hand made. METW2 would probably be better suited to portraying this, though it seems CA didn't want us to pimp that game out quite yet.

And maybe I'll have to plant a secret UBER-unit somewhere in RS..... TEXANS!!!!
They'll drink all the been in whatever province they're released in, steal all the cattle, and get the enemy population super-fat on the best steaks they'd ever eat..... before the legions mowed them down....yessss....

Truth be told I've never been able to truly decide between the Greeks and Romans as my fave faction.... probably why I once made a super spartan legionary. greek armor, helm, sword, roman shield and fighting style. plus spartan stats. just a *bit* overpowered..

[rory o'kane]

Would the rs 1.5 release end up waiting on updated models, or might these end up towards rs2.0? I keep forgetting what year 1.5 is supposed to end in year AD. because if it were say before late first century AD, we could remove the late "imperial" legions, as segmentata didn't seem to appear before late first century. I'm still trying to get some more concrete dates/time periods for when what armor/swords were used, though this may never be "agreed" upon since only little tiny pieces of segmentata armor have even been found, and i still don't trust carbon dating. I have been scrolling through museum photos, re-enactor sites (there are a few out there who are directly linked with the museums/collections that study roman equipment, and back up their equipment requirements for members with reference to actual artifacts ) and the few books I have to try and get a good idea of who used what, when they used it, and where. Plus two pieces of armour were rarely the same as they were all hand made, no machining, no stamping from sheet metal. all hand made. METW2 would probably be better suited to portraying this, though it seems CA didn't want us to pimp that game out quite yet.

And maybe I'll have to plant a secret UBER-unit somewhere in RS..... TEXANS!!!!
They'll drink all the been in whatever province they're released in, steal all the cattle, and get the enemy population super-fat on the best steaks they'd ever eat..... before the legions mowed them down....yessss....

Truth be told I've never been able to truly decide between the Greeks and Romans as my fave faction.... probably why I once made a super spartan legionary. greek armor, helm, sword, roman shield and fighting style. plus spartan stats. just a *bit* overpowered..

I'd jsut like to point out that they found an example of segmentata Armour at Kalkriese in germany, dating to Teutoburgur Wald. the armour was in circulation in the early first century AD.