Why does MTW2 have no digging in sieges?

**jalen911** · November 11, 2007, 03:51 PM

who can tell me ? thx

**The Good** · November 11, 2007, 10:31 PM

Do you mean making sapping points before a city seige battle? I miss that feature too.

**jalen911** · November 12, 2007, 03:27 AM

Yep

**Evolution** · November 12, 2007, 07:02 AM

They don't want to get their hands dirty.

**vonKrysiak** · November 14, 2007, 09:16 AM

True, then we could ask how come CA havent even finished burning oil and many other features...
oh well, no point asking now...

**guyyug** · November 14, 2007, 09:33 AM

I don't really miss the sap points, in RTW it made takeing an AI controlled city so easy, and annoyed the hell out of me online. Though sap points were used back then so I don't see why they arn't in M2TW.

**Kahn** · November 14, 2007, 11:43 AM

Somebody explain sap points.

...and digging.

**General_Genocide** · November 14, 2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kahn

Somebody explain sap points.

...and digging.

they dig under the wall and pull out support beams/bricks/etc causing it to collapse

**Mythre** · November 14, 2007, 04:29 PM

I hated it in RTW.... soooo unrealistic. You just can't sap a wall in 5 mins... it sometimes takes years! If they want to put sapping in a game they should put into campaign map as a siege option and once you select to do it it gives an indicator like "you will have breached a wall section in 2 turns" or something along those lines.

**Renco** · November 15, 2007, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mythre

I hated it in RTW.... soooo unrealistic. You just can't sap a wall in 5 mins... it sometimes takes years! If they want to put sapping in a game they should put into campaign map as a siege option and once you select to do it it gives an indicator like "you will have breached a wall section in 2 turns" or something along those lines.

That would be kind of cool, except it would be unfair to defender as an attacker can waltz through a breach. At least with the current sapping system one group of archers (medicore) can take out two sapping points. Lets the defender who is outnumbered have a slight chance.

**Vor** · November 15, 2007, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mythre

I hated it in RTW.... soooo unrealistic. You just can't sap a wall in 5 mins... it sometimes takes years! If they want to put sapping in a game they should put into campaign map as a siege option and once you select to do it it gives an indicator like "you will have breached a wall section in 2 turns" or something along those lines.

You had to wait for sap points to be built even in RTW I think. It took a turn or two I think. I always took that to be when the digging took place, and in the actual battle they where just pulling down the supports or whatever.

**vonKrysiak** · November 15, 2007, 04:49 AM

@Mythre actually thats a good Idea, never thought of that before. Although then it is a balancing issue - if it takes too short nobodywill use other siege equipment and vice versa...

**Old Geezer** · November 15, 2007, 08:09 AM

During this time period was sapping done?

**vonKrysiak** · November 15, 2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Old Geezer

During this time period was sapping done?

Yes although not as often as in the ancient era.
I know of Turkish troops used sapping, and in the late XVI (or early XVII correct me if I am wrong) placed mines in the tunnels - pretty much LOTR style

Edit: found a reference to sapping during the Albigensian crusade, siege of Carcassonne in 1209.