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The collapse of Darwinism
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Utter creationist propaganda. Nonsense.
The fact that they say he offered "no evidence for his claim" is laughable.
Not to mention they equate "Darwinism" with "The theory of evolution" which are not the same.
Darwin was not right about everything, and this is common knowledge. But the evolution of his theory has proven to be the basis of all modern biology.
Any video entitled "Darwinism" loses intellectual credability right off the bat.
I would recommend looking in the archives. There was a million page debate on evolution in which the case for evolution was made very well. It is only about a month ago.
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Furthermore (I dont even know why im still watching) the first two videos are on the genesis of life WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VALIDITY OF EVOLUTION. We can admit that we dont know how that happened (though there are many theories) and still accept evolution.
I think this quote sums up the video:
"It is impossible that such an intricate and complex system could have emerged as a result of coincidences"
Utter nonsense. They say that scientists agree it is impossible for abiogenesis to happen, which is an outrageous lie!
Note on a note:
For all of you who want to see how outrageous this video is, watch the third one. They completely ignore the fact that modern genetic knowledge, while proving darwin wrong, proves evolution to happen.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Absolute crap.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Originally Posted by Boeing
Most of that was actually true.....
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Why do people still post this crap in 2007?
Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Because they've been brainwashed.
Evolution has hard facts behind it, while there is NO evidence for Creationism. In fact, all of the Priests/Reverends I knew growing up (I attended Anglican School) follow Evolution.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Because some people still haven't gotten that far when it comes to science.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Please educate yourself. Here's a good place to start. Don't post this kind of mouth-breathing nonsense again.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
evolution is mathematically impossible just looking at the number of species on this earth and the time in wich earth existed. if evolution was real it would be a speedy one happening every couple of thousand years. not only that but darwinists can't even explain what causes species to evolve if it was true.
"the likelihood of a cell being formed on accident is the same as an airplane assembling in a tornado"
-Louie pasteur
my calculations say that a new species a totally new species would emerge every couple of thousand of years according to evolution. could a nice intelligent rational darwinist explain why this is to me?
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
I start to think you are a very young person. It is time to read a basic biology book. My cousin read his first dino-book, when he still played with the Lego and became later a professional biologist. Education matters. It opens up your eyes.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Regrettably, that's not actually a case against evolution.
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There are two main reasons why what you're saying is useless:
- It's irrelevant. As has been said, evolution does not seek to explain the origins of life, merely how what did originate proceeded to be present in the forms we see today.
- Mathematically, it's entirely plausible that however many iterations you may choose to name had to take place before life evolved to the place that it is. The ones that didn't work, died out; the ones that did, did not. After all, Pasteur himself does assert that it's entirely possible for an areoplane to be assembled in a tornado
Define 'new species'. Considering that the ability to interbreed is the primary factor in testing whether a new species does in fact exist, it's entirely possible for some small degree of evolution to occur without a new species being produced.my calculations say that a new species a totally new species would emerge every couple of thousand of years according to evolution. could a nice intelligent rational darwinist explain why this is to me?
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
"There is no natural mechanism whereby a single cel can be "tranformed" to a more complex living creature."
Has the maker of that documentary ever heard of eggs?
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Or Wikipedia?
ffs, a ten-year-old has more sense than that guy.
Re: The collapse of Darwinism
LOL. I wonder if the guy made that up himself, or got it from his pastor who made it up himself.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. During a good chunk of that time the planet was a lifeless rock, but that still leaves hundreds of millions of years for a large amount of speciation to occur.
Why, because you say so?if evolution was real it would be a speedy one happening every couple of thousand years.
Lies, speciation occurs due to natural selection and random genetic drift.not only that but darwinists can't even explain what causes species to evolve if it was true.
Right, and Ulysses S. Grant was an early proponent of armoured spearheads to break through enemy lines."the likelihood of a cell being formed on accident is the same as an airplane assembling in a tornado"
-Louie pasteur
How about you show us your calculations and then we'll explain where the problem is?my calculations say that a new species a totally new species would emerge every couple of thousand of years according to evolution. could a nice intelligent rational darwinist explain why this is to me?
Primicerius
Re: The collapse of Darwinism
and there are 4.8 million and 6 million different species on this planet. correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't evolution happen over millions of years?
no because of the timetable and amount of species.
ah natural selection. if species evolve through natural selection then how come some species are 10''s-100 million years old? i thought if they didn't evolve they'd die out?
Re: The collapse of Darwinism
There is probably millions of species that have not been discovered, but you are partially correct.
You know, it's possible for one species to evolve into two different ones. Life has existed on Earth for three billion years, that's plenty of time for the millions of species alive today to evolve.no because of the timetable and amount of species.
Perhaps you should pick up a science book. The species alive today are very different than those 10 million years ago. Do you even understand natural selection? If there are no predators, and no environmental disasters, than a species can survive easily for tens to hundreds of millions of years. Take the Coelacanth, or the Tuatara, or even mosses.ah natural selection. if species evolve through natural selection then how come some species are 10''s-100 million years old? i thought if they didn't evolve they'd die out?
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
Show me sources on that one, because I've never heard anything like that. And the evolution theory is supported by facts and creatiosim not. you have just to believe in it.on the earth from what they know. there now saying that they came from astroids.
I got a question how do you know that god created us how has told he guys who wrote the bible and all other holly books.
Re: The collapse of Darwinism
3 billion? the earth has existed for 3 billion years not life on earth. i think life is about 300 million-400 years if i can recall. wich means that a new species evolves every couple hundred years
Do some research next time. Two minutes on Wikipedia should have been enough to stop you even creating this thread.
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Re: The collapse of Darwinism
*sigh* and the spontaneous coming about of a God like figure is mathematically possible? You exalt the impossibilities of evolution (without understanding what evolution actually is, it appears) yet ignore the IMPOSSIBILITIES of creationism. If you are a creationist, you should abandon science, btw, as you operate on the belief that God will change the laws (that scientists have discovered) as he sees fit.
Life has been around for billions of years and existed in billions of creatures, from those consisting of a single cell to the largest creatures that graced this planet. The numbers involved are staggering. I can barely conceive it, clearly you haven't considered this aspect.
Not impossible, just highly improbable. So it is possible - certainly more likely than the 'theory' that you purport. Anyway, it doesn't happen in leaps like that, the change is gradual, well very seldom happens in leaps, anyway. Each incredibly minute change is possible. All are the result of accidental change. Most are ineffective and do nothing. Some are harmful and those species that carry that trait die off and take the trait with them, the more successful ones are more likely to pass on their traits to the next generation. This is what you fail to understand."the likelihood of a cell being formed on accident is the same as an airplane assembling in a tornado"
-Louie pasteur
What are your calculations for the chances of a supreme being who creates these things from developing? Yet, according to you, creatures spontaneously come out of nothing due to some whim of a being who should be praying to. Throwing numbers around in this debate is, in fact, the worst thing you can do. Despite the chances of change in evolution being unlikely they exist, unlike creationism.my calculations say that a new species a totally new species would emerge every couple of thousand of years according to evolution. could a nice intelligent rational darwinist explain why this is to me?
Creationist nonsense - all the arguments thrown against evolution are conveniently ignored by themselves. The theory isn't a theory as it CANNOT be tested - well it could, I suppose. If you were to throw yourself off an office building and if God were to intervene and safely place you on the ground then I might concede this argument. But of course this WILL NOT happen and the argument given, I believe(!) - God doesn't like to be tested. What a fragile ego.
Your only evidence is based upon books conceived hundreds, if not thousands of years ago, that do not provide ANY scientific evidence and are probably the result of some drug induced session or a heavy dream. A quack idea created (oh the irony) to fit with some books which might be a good guide on how to live, just useless in telling us how the world works. Worse than useless, it appears.
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