Does he have a point?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Does Edward Nortons character have a point in this scene from American History X?

Discount the fact that he's a Neo-Nazi, does he have a point? Especially about the Rodney King thing.

[wilpuri]

Yes, but its rendered invalid because of some his other points.

EDIT: I posted before watching because I thought this was another clip from the movie. But I guess I still agree with what I said.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Are people responsible for their actions? Yes.

Does being of a specific race make you inherently more likely to commit a crime? No.

Have police on occaision overstepped their authority and committed violent crime themselves? Yes.

I do not know who Rodney King is.

[Bokks]

I do not know who Rodney King is.

Wow, I thought I live a sheltered life.
His beating and the riots that it caused when the police who beat him were found not-guilty were famous even in Wyoming when i was... jeez, five? Maybe six.
A lot of people in California (and elsewhere) thought a race war would erupt then and there.

Rush, how on earth did you find those videos? the King beatings were before the internet!

...:hmmm:'Course I guess you could download speeches by Hitler too... if you wanted to...

[edit] @ Mansa Musa
I'm sure people could find some way of defining at least suicide a racial issue, since the percentages of suicides in the US are minority related.

[Shaun]

Policies like affirmative action have nothing to do with it I'm sure...

Regardless of how silly these policies may be, they are still no justification for racism.

Wow, I thought I live a sheltered life.
His beating and the riots that it caused when the police who beat him were found not-guilty were famous even in Wyoming when i was... jeez, five? Maybe six.
A lot of people in California (and elsewhere) thought a race war would erupt then and there.

Guess what? Ferrets doesn't live in the US, so has no reason to actually care about him. What's famous in Wyoming is not necessarily famous in the rest of the world, you know.

[Joker85]

Guess what? Ferrets doesn't live in the US, so has no reason to actually care about him. What's famous in Wyoming is not necessarily famous in the rest of the world, you know.

Massive riots in a major first world city tend to get global coverage. We got the riots in france a couple years ago. It was covered heavily in fact.

[Shaun]

Massive riots in a major first world city tend to get global coverage. We got the riots in france a couple years ago. It was covered heavily in fact.

And were these riots on the same scale as the LA ones?

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

the King beatings were before the internet!

Actually, the 1990-91 Gulf War and the Rodney King beatings/LA Riots were two events I remember following very closely on the internet. You see, there was an internet before the World Wide Web, O Grasshopper, though it had fewer pretty pictures. We also had video cameras back then in the technological dark ages of the early 1990s, which is how Rush could find those images on this new-fangled InterWeb thingy.

Now you kids get the hell off my lawn!

PCP really does make people capable of doing crazy things, they are impervious to pain and therefore hard to arrest also high doses cause psychosis making them very dangerous.

Except Rodney King wasn't on PCP. The officers later justified their beating by claiming they thought he might have been on PCP. Most reasonable people would say that by the time they were beating the totally inert form of a fully unconscious man it should perhaps have occurred to them that it may be a good idea to stop.

[Bokks]

Wow, I'm sorry Ferrets, i didn't realize you were British. For some odd reason i thought you lived in California, making the fact you hadn't heard of him that much more unbelievable. I must have you confused with with Thanatos some how. Unless he doesn't live in California either, in which case I've just gone crazy. Not that unbelievable.
Having said that it is still a bit strange that you hadn't heard of him, but it's not unbelievable or unheard of. I'm sorry if I offended you!

Actually, the 1990-91 Gulf War and the Rodney King beatings/LA Riots were two events I remember following very closely on the internet. You see, there was an internet before the World Wide Web, O Grasshopper, though it had fewer pretty pictures. We also had video cameras back then in the technological dark ages of the early 1990s, which is how Rush could find those images on this new-fangled InterWeb thingy.

Jeez man, you're not that old! You're, what, 40? Yeah, the 90's are going on 20 years ago, but I still remember aspects of them.
Just curious, though, but why was an Aussie such as yourself watching an LA police beating over the "pre-internet"?

[the_mango55]

Back in the day we had a TV program called "The News"

It was kind of like the reality shows that dominate TV today, except instead of people being put in situations by producers, they just filmed stuff that happened. And nobody won a million dollars at the end of the season.

I have heard a rumor that these shows are still around, but I can't see any evidence though all the crap on TV today.

[haney591]

Does being of a specific race make you inherently more likely to commit a crime? No.
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Stunning; and I suppose you would claim that you are against ignorance.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Stunning; and I suppose you would claim that you are against ignorance.

We all do realize that Ferrets is British and that Rodney king is an American thing right ?

[removeduser_487563287433]

We all do realize that Ferrets is British and that Rodney king is an American thing right ?

It's been touched upon, yes.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Yes, but its rendered invalid because of some his other points.

I especially love this movie because it really has no "right side". It most certainly portrays the Neo-Nazi's as the scum that they are, but it also kind of shows why there is racism in America. There are reasons for it, make no mistake.

EDIT: I posted before watching because I thought this was another clip from the movie. But I guess I still agree with what I said.

What scene were you thinking of?

He had some very interesting things to say about Illegal Immigrants and such, but kind of ruined his point by leading them into the store and trashing it.

[Shaun]

. There are reasons for it, make no mistake.

Primarily bigotry, backwardness and idiocy.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Primarily bigotry, backwardness and idiocy.

Policies like affirmative action have nothing to do with it I'm sure...

[Last Roman]

Policies like affirmative action have nothing to do with it I'm sure...

racism was around long before affirmative action.

A stupid policy it may be, but it in no way justifies racism.

[Mansa musa]

is serial killings and suicide a racial issue?

[Rush Limbaugh]

Rodney King
Guess which one is Rodney?

Los Angeles Riots and Rodney King

Reconstructing Rodney King

Worth it just to hear the backround music.

Rodney is my new hero.

[JP226]

I do not know who Rodney King is.

For such a busy body when it comes to the US, I'm amazed by this actually.