Kingdom of Jerusalem emerging in the Early campaign?

**Bernhard of Clairvaux** · November 09, 2007, 04:59 AM

Hi, downloading 5.1 right now and have not been able to play the 5.0 version yet. One question, will Kingdom of Jerusalem emerge in the early campaign and if so under what requierments?

BoC

**kelvintyk** · November 09, 2007, 05:08 AM

A certain date perhaps?

**Caesar Clivus** · November 09, 2007, 05:11 AM

I do not believe it does. May be wrong though.

**Bernhard of Clairvaux** · November 09, 2007, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus

I do not believe it does. May be wrong though.

I thought it would since it is listed among countries though as "non playable". Then it seems Teutonic Order also will emerge in the game. Perhaps someone can tell for sure?

**kelvintyk** · November 09, 2007, 05:25 AM

Check the campaign script for the early era campaign.

**Caesar Clivus** · November 09, 2007, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bernhard of Clairvaux

I thought it would since it is listed among countries though as "non playable". Then it seems Teutonic Order also will emerge in the game. Perhaps someone can tell for sure?

Teutonic Order will. I dont think KoJ will.

**kelvintyk** · November 09, 2007, 05:44 AM

Nope there ain't anything about the KoJ re-emerging. So i don't think it will.

**Bernhard of Clairvaux** · November 09, 2007, 05:59 AM

Ok

Thanks for the info.

**Ataegina** · November 09, 2007, 10:54 AM

i think would be better merging templars+koj in just one faction !!

probably would be more fun and save probably one faction slot, right ?

**Henry X** · November 09, 2007, 04:49 PM

Well, the Order of the Knight's Templar is what makes Stainless Steel, well Stainless, Steel. Without them, the mod just wouldn't be the same.

**Caspand** · November 10, 2007, 03:55 AM

I think merging order of the templar into KoJ at some point would be a great idea, since this was made possible with kingdsoms-

Lets say they for instance hold,. Antioch, Esessa, Jerusalem and maybe a few more they would be presented with a choise to merge to KoJ. I know this is possible from Teotonic campaign in kingdoms.

Caspand

**Caesar Clivus** · November 10, 2007, 06:46 AM

Actually in the Teutonic campaign they dont merge....they just get a new faction banner. No name change (unfortunately)

**King Kong** · November 10, 2007, 07:00 AM

Hi Henry X,

Well, the Order of the Knight's Templar is what makes Stainless Steel, well Stainless, Steel. Without them, the mod just wouldn't be the same.

I totally agree with you!
It would be really hard for me to get rid of the my knights templar!

However, probably I'll let them merge into the Kingdom of Jerusalem in the early era campaign...

**eldardude** · November 10, 2007, 07:14 AM

I may be wrong but weren't the Knights Templar only an order that protected pilgrims and not a faction by itself?

**King Kong** · November 10, 2007, 07:35 AM

Hi eldardude,

Well, I'm not English, so I just asked myself: what is a "faction" any way?
So I have found this in a "Glossary of Political Economy Terms Faction"

A somewhat derogatory term for a group of people banded together to seek some self-serving or "selfish" goal through the political process, with the implication being that they usually hope to do this by riding rough-shod over the rights or legitimate interests of many of their fellow citizens.

And the Knights Templar were a political group, or? As far as I know that owned at least 3000 castles at the height of their power and they had excellent relataions to the pope (which of course was the main political instance at this time) and propbably many other factions.
Also, almost all of the "factions" in this game were no solid political groups or united nations in the middle ages, most of them changed their territories, names and banners very often (actually I can't even think of any faction that didn't).
So, I think the Knights Templar more or less "earned" their place in this game...

**eldardude** · November 10, 2007, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by King Kong

Hi eldardude,

Well, I'm not English, so I just asked myself: what is a "faction" any way?
So I have found this in a "Glossary of Political Economy Terms Faction"

And the Knights Templar were a political group, or? As far as I know that owned at least 3000 castles at the height of their power and they had excellent relataions to the pope (which of course was the main political instance at this time) and propbably many other factions.
Also, almost all of the "factions" in this game were no solid political groups or united nations in the middle ages, most of them changed their territories, names and banners very often (actually I can't even think of any faction that didn't).
So, I think the Knights Templar more or less "earned" their place in this game...

So were the Knights Hospitaller. But I misspoke before, what I wanted to say is that the Knights Templar were not a real country. I just thought it would be best if all the factions (except the Muslim & Orthodox factions) could recruit the Knights Templar as long as they have control of certain cities in the Holy Land. Just seemed more logical this way.

Cheers

**firekiller** · November 10, 2007, 07:39 AM

i hope the will merge and than give to units from templar order to mecenary's wenn you start crusade and give some of em to scertain factions like wenn youfight vs the moors.

Or else you just can remove kingdoms of jeruzalem and give their most fun units to templar order

**Hookah Smoking Caterpiller** · November 10, 2007, 05:10 PM

the Knights Templar were different, and outlasted the crusader states, they were there before the crusades and for sometime after, similar to the Teutonic order.

**Ataegina** · November 10, 2007, 07:13 PM

well i'm not trying rid off the knight templars, but yes merge them into koj for the early camp. !

templars aren't a faction, but at same time they've more power and healthy than a huge number of faction on this time-frame, not only by possessions,but also for th huge profits on trade,warfare...etc etc

this is a mainreason for their tragic end,when pope and philipe of france decide annihilate them...