Palestine is Still the Issue

[gg_wong]

Has anyone watched this Video? What are your thoughts after watching? Personally, it was an eye opener. Realizing Suiciding Bombings (Terrorism) are not random acts of violence, but rather acts of desperation to prove a point that a culture almost ceases to exist. Flame and Bash away

[Princeps]

I haven't seen it. But it's John Pilger's document right?

He's great.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Took almost a minute before he started lying. That was enough for me.

Heres the propaganda if anyone is interested.

Palestine is Still the Issue Islam

[Paggers]

John Pilger is an intelligent chap but when he has an axe to grind he can be very blind to the variables of the real world. Pity really.

Took almost a minute before he started lying. That was enough for me.

Doesn't normally take that long.

[Valentin the II]

I really hope the scene in the "culture center" was staged.
If not, Im very disapointed in our military.

I'v seen arsholes in my life but throwing bags of **** in a culture center is just disgracefull.

[Princeps]

LIESLIESLIESPROPAGANDAAA!ALALALALALALAAAALALALALA!!!! IDON*TWANNAHEAR!!LALALALAAAA!

What lies?

Also see this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

[crazyj]

Took almost a minute before he started lying. That was enough for me.

Heres the propaganda if anyone is interested.

Palestine is Still the Issue Islam

you said it amigo. A shame it works on people (like the OP perhaps?).

[Rush Limbaugh]

Also see this... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

That this seems to say is a load of bull

Chile: Poverty and Income Distribution in a High-Growth Economy: 1987-1995

First, the report has confirmed that even within a short period of time (1987–1994), there has been a significant decline in poverty. The poverty headcount and poverty deficit were halved during this period. While 41 percent of the population lived in poverty in 1987, by 1994 this figure fell to 23 percent. The incidence fell from 13 percent in 1987 to 5 percent in 1994. The report confirms that high economic growth is strongly and positively correlated with declining poverty; during the sub-period 1992–1994 when economic growth fell, there was also a deceleration in the rate at which poverty declined.

Second, for the poorest decile group, the slowdown in growth from 11 percent in 1992 to 4 percent in 1994, and the accompanying rise in unemployment from 4.5 percent to 6 percent actually meant a small increase in this group's poverty. The reduction in unemployment to rates around 4.5 percent in 1995, by the same token, is likely to have reduced poverty for this group more recently.

[Princeps]

That this seems to say is a load of bull
Chile: Poverty and Income Distribution in a High-Growth Economy: 1987-1995

Pinochet's free market policies on the other hand brought disaster. in 1973, unemployment was only 4.3%. Following ten years of junta rule in 1983, unemployment skyrocketed to 22%. Real wages declined by more than 40%. In 1970, 20% of Chile's population lived in poverty, but by 1990, the last year of Pinochet's dictatorship, poverty had doubled to 40%. Between 1982 and 1983, the GDP dropped 19%. In 1970, the daily diet of the poorest 40 percent of the population contained 2,019 calories. By 1980 this had fallen to 1,751, and by 1990 it was down to 1,629. Furthermore, the percentage of Chileans without adequate housing increased from 27 to 40 percent between 1972 and 1988, despite the government's boast that the new economy would solve homelessness. Meanwhile, the wealthy were raking it in. In 1970, the richest one-fifth of the population controlled 45% of the wealth compared to 7.6% for the poorest one-fifth. In 1989, the richest one-fifth controlled 55% of the wealth while the poorest one-fifth controlled only 4.4%. Evantually, Pinochet had to resort to Marxist and Keynasian policies to reverse the disaster. (James Petras and Fernando Ignacio Leiva, Democracy and Poverty in Chile: The Limits to Electoral Politics,)

Here's also a good link: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=11615

[Seda]

*Has only skimmed through the thread.*

Okay, I'll admit to not actually watching the video, but from the responses here it seems to take a tone like "Suicide bombers are the victims",etc. If I'm wrong, well, that's my failing. But let's not even go there. Suicide bombers (the name itself is partially a misnomer) are murderers. They walk into buildings filled with people they deem enemies, often innocent civillians, and blow themselves up with the full intention of catching as many others in the blast as you can. I won't ever sympathise with that, no matter the cause. Millitary scenarios are slightly different, but anyway...

I won't say anything on the actual creation of Isreal, I know piddly squat about that time. I will say that today, however, the only remotely fair solution is a two-state scenario. Both factions have gone through their own hardships and developed their own identities, they aren't going to up and go away. The problem, however, is that all it takes is one angry Palestinian walking into an Israeli bar with a belt-load of C4 to trigger a wave of hatred from the Israelis that results in another attack on the people of Palestine. This in turn creates more hatred among the Palestinan people, creating a viscious cycle of hatred and vengence. Neither side is entirely in the right, neither side is entirely in the wrong. At any rate, I can't see any kind of piece occuring between those two for a long time to come.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Ugh, streaming a 52-minute video on my current connection is going to be a real pain. Does he say anything new in the video or is it the same stuff that occupies 9/10ths of the Political Mudpit's web-space?

The link with the video takes you to a website that has dedicated forums of George Galloway, Naom Chompsky and Edward Said. I don't have to guess now what this is going to be about.

2 minutes into the video and no lies yet, only opinions that you'd differ with.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

No spoilers!!!!!!111

[Valentin the II]

This documentary is heavily biased and tends to lie and exadurate quite alot, but it does have a certain point.

Our countries political agenda is really twisted.
I mean, in a place where most politicians were high ranking military oficialls in the past, you cant expect much reason or flexebility.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Yeah, this documentary is obviously based on the Palestinian version of the conflict. John Pilger comes across as a Dove-ish Galloway. I suggest people watch it regardless of what side they stand on. After all, knowledge is power, even if it's knowledge pertaining to what your 'enemy' thinks.

[Rush Limbaugh]

minutes into the video and no lies yet, only opinions that you'd differ with.

Its about a nation of peoples thrown off their land. First words out of his mouth. Liar.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Its about a nation of peoples thrown off their land. First words out of his mouth. Liar.

Some were forced to leave by force and by military occupation. So that's an opinion. Others left after the military occupation. At the end of the day, the Palestinians in refugee camps didn't just fall down from the sky. Again, I'm not defending this video, it's obviously very pro-Palestinian and it's like seeing the issue with one eye closed.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Hmmm, perhaps some of our pro-israeli members could tell us how peace can be acheived without a two-state solution ?

[Rush Limbaugh]

Easy one state. Israel.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Easy one state. Israel.

And how is that going to solve the issue of Millions of stateless people who dont consider themselves to Be Israeli and want to live in thier own country and are willing to fight for that no matter how hopeless their situation will become militarily ?

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

And how is that going to solve the issue of Millions of stateless people who dont consider themselves to Be Israeli and want to live in thier own country and are willing to fight for that no matter how hopeless their situation will become militarily ?

He was thinking like Hasan Nasrullah there.

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