faction destroyed

[Filip_bre]

what do i have to do so when a faction is destroyed, it becoms a horde, at least till all characters are alive... ?

[pwijnands]

The horde thing is still in as far as I know. The mongols and timurids are classified as hordes in descr_sm_factions.txt. You can try giving Scotland similar entries (but change the horde units) and then beating them quickly with England in a campaign to test if it still works properly.

[Filip_bre]

do you think i need to start a new campaign for this to take effect
and by the way, thank you for your tip that i'll try

[pwijnands]

You'll probably start a new campaign to test if it works. If it does, load up a saved game and destroy the faction in question. Then you'll know.

[Irishmafia2020]

Has this worked? Does anyone know how to turn ordinary factions into hordes? I hate it when a faction is destroyed and I would like to add this feature for all of the MTW2 factions so that they might have at least the oppurtunity to find a new home after they lose a war. This would be especially nice for factions like Byzantium, France, Scotland, and Portugal who are usually quickly over run. Do you simply add the "horde" attribute to the faction, or is it more complex? Does anyone know at this point?

[The Border Reiver]

Yes, just go to your descr_sm_factions file and copy and paste the horde information that is found in the mongols and tumurids part into your faction.

For example here is my MacDonald Faction from this file:

faction					macdonald
culture						northern_european
religion					heretic
symbol						models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 136, green 28, blue 28
secondary_colour			red 46, green 32, blue 32
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_slaves.tga
standard_index				20
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
small_logo_index			SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
triumph_value				5
custom_battle_availability	yes
horde_min_units				10
horde_max_units				20
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population	250
horde_min_named_characters	2
horde_max_percent_army_stack 80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture	0
horde_unit					Highlanders
horde_unit					Highlanders
horde_unit				             Highlanders
horde_unit					Highlanders
horde_unit					Highlanders
horde_unit					Highlanders
horde_unit					Highland Archers
horde_unit					Highland Archers
horde_unit					Highland Rabble
horde_unit					Highland Rabble
horde_unit					Highland Nobles
horde_unit					Highland Nobles
horde_unit					Svenner
horde_unit					Svenner
horde_unit					Noble Highland Archers
horde_unit					Noble Highland Archers
can_sap						yes
prefers_naval_invasions		yes
can_have_princess			yes
has_family_tree					yes

I've tested this and it works fine. Try it on your faction say denmark (they oinly have one town). Take your whole garrison out of the city until it rebels....this triggers the horde.

[Irishmafia2020]

Wow... thanks for the info! That is actually pretty useful...

[The Border Reiver]

Wow... thanks for the info! That is actually pretty useful...

No problems mate, glad I could help Irishmafia2020....I've been modding this game since day 1 of RTW when I brought it home! And can you believe through BI, MTW2 and now, this is the first time I have added this feature

[Filip_bre]

Do I have to start a new campaign for that ? I can't launch a new campaign to check, I have a CTD

[Eothese]

Yes you'll have to start a new campaign, check your log for errors that maybe causing the crash... It will probably be something in the decsr_sm_factions if thats what you have altered last.

[alhoon]

I have successfully used this in the past.
Have in mind that when a faction changes from "proper" faction to horde it takes a lot of time for the computer.

[Eothese]

Have in mind that when a faction changes from "proper" faction to horde it takes a lot of time for the computer.

True, and this is where the size of your EDU comes in, 199 units takes a long time for the game to load. (couple of minuites on my best PC) 200+ units takes much, much longer...

[alhoon]

With some extra units I have added... it takes about 5 mins for me.

[Filip_bre]

thank you

i don't have to start a new campaign so it works.

You can make emerge as many units you want, also as many generals. I did with 30 generals and over 200 000 men to test. After about 2 minutes, this big army appeared.

[alhoon]

You can make emerge as many units you want, also as many generals. I did with 30 generals and over 200 000 men to test. After about 2 minutes, this big army appeared.

So basically you had 100 full stacks of army and 10 generals.... the army must have taken half a continent...
I really think you need to tone that down. This is an army from the apocalypse. It will devastate the whole world.


Out of Topic: Tell me the truth: with 2 units of spartan phalanx, do you think you could hold them at bay for 6 turns?

[Mythic_Commodore]

That's pretty cool! +rep

[Filip_bre]

Even greater is happening. An army of over a million men. Invasion from South Africa. It just fits my campaign since every faction has at least 150 000. Only with a milion or more it can be a threat to my empire, and that is interesting.

Spartans can hold, hold long, but win not, i think.

[alhoon]

You have to keep them at bay for 6 turns. Spartans kept the Persians for 6 days of constant fighting.
You can use 2 spartan phalanxes and a few auxiliaries. Oh... and find a passage where only 5-6 soldiers will be fighting at a time.

[VINC.XXIII]

I have make that for all factions in my personal PFER 1.0,the mongols take Tiflis(Georgia),but they kill all generals,well Georgia survive with his patriarch.

[alhoon]

How long it takes for your computer to make a faction to a horde?