Immigration( political correctness)

**humvee2800** · November 04, 2007, 02:46 PM

Why is it anyone who speaks against immigration in the western world is automatically dubbed a biggot.

**Duke_of_Bavaria** · November 04, 2007, 02:48 PM

Because some idiot came up with the idea that speaking against immigration = racism.

Nobody really knows why, everybody thinks it's stupid but it still is the way it is. One of those mysteries.

**antares24** · November 04, 2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by humvee2800

Why is it anyone who speaks against immigration in the western world is automatically dubbed a biggot.

good question, basically every common person i speak with on this subject say that immigration must be controlled more severely, and everyone seem to agree on this, however at the moment that a politician, or another prominent figure, speak about immigration control, even in a moderate way, he's labelled as some sort of racist neonazi bastard

it's the political correctness evil power

**Shaun** · November 04, 2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by humvee2800

Why is it anyone who speaks against immigration in the western world is automatically dubbed a biggot.

They are? Really? :hmmm:

Proof?

**~~The Super Pope~~** · November 04, 2007, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun

They are? Really? :hmmm:

Proof?

How about the tory MP who called for restrained immigration who has been forced to resign?

**Ulazlo the Warmonger** · November 04, 2007, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by humvee2800

Why is it anyone who speaks against immigration in the western world is automatically dubbed a biggot.

i've never heard anyone be called a biggot or racist but

everyone in the U.S. except Native Americans are immigrants so speaking against immigration in the U.S. kind of goes against how the country was founded and how it came to be here today.

**El Brujo** · November 04, 2007, 03:39 PM

everyone in the U.S. except Native Americans are immigrants

They immigrated too. They just arrived sooner.

so speaking against immigration in the U.S. kind of goes against how the country was founded and how it came to be here today.

The U.S. was built on controlled immigration. The Natives failed to control immigration and look what happened to them.

**Ulazlo the Warmonger** · November 04, 2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by El Brujo

They immigrated too. They just arrived sooner.

The U.S. was built on controlled immigration. The Natives failed to control immigration and look what happened to them.

yeah Native Americans arrived a couple thousand years sooner, they have a bit more right to the land but they lost the war so sucks for them. I do feel that they don't own the land anymore but if we are looking strictly at who had the original right to the land they did.

did i say anything against having controlled immigration? i merely said that immigration helped America and to eliminate it completely is not a good idea. You let good workers in who can contribute i don't see anything wrong with that.

**El Brujo** · November 04, 2007, 03:49 PM

did i say anything against having controlled immigration? i merely said that immigration helped America and to eliminate it completely is not a good idea.

Good. I agree.

**Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus** · November 04, 2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by El Brujo

The U.S. was built on controlled immigration. The Natives failed to control immigration and look what happened to them.

Dear God are you actually implying that the Mexicans are going to kill us and force us onto reservations ?

**Richard** · November 05, 2007, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ulazlo the Warmonger

i've never heard anyone be called a biggot or racist but

everyone in the U.S. except Native Americans are immigrants so speaking against immigration in the U.S. kind of goes against how the country was founded and how it came to be here today.

They've only been there for 20,000 years, they don't belong either. All the US should be handed over to the squirrels, it's rightful owners.

**-Conan the Barbarian-** · November 06, 2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ulazlo the Warmonger

everyone in the U.S. except Native Americans are immigrants ...

Can you tell me where I immigrated from?

**Medicus** · November 06, 2007, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by -Conan the Barbarian-

Can you tell me where I immigrated from?

Africa. As has everyone else on the planet.

**-Conan the Barbarian-** · November 06, 2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by ~The Doctor~

Africa. As has everyone else on the planet.

No actually I have never immigrated from Africa and neither did everyone else on the planet. Ofcourse we all have ancestors going back to the beginnings of humankind who were born in Africa but that doesn't mean I immigrated from Africa.

People have to actually move from one location to another inorder to immigrate. Everyone has a native land. Our native land is where we are born and if we leave that land for another we have immigrated from that land.

**Medicus** · November 06, 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by -Conan the Barbarian-

No actually I have never immigrated from Africa and neither did everyone else on the planet. Ofcourse we all have ancestors going back to the beginnings of humankind who were born in Africa but that doesn't mean I immigrated from Africa.

People have to actually move from one location to another inorder to immigrate. Everyone has a native land. Our native land is where we are born and if we leave that land for another we have immigrated from that land.

Q.E.D., Conan. We're ALL immigrants, in one way or another.

**molonthegreat** · November 04, 2007, 03:37 PM

Well here in Sweden its only one party that runs an active immigration policy and its labeled racist while the others don't have the policy no limits.

**Shaun** · November 04, 2007, 03:39 PM

Who?

**~~The Super Pope~~** · November 04, 2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun

Who?

Originally Posted by BBC

A Conservative Party candidate has stepped down after a row over his comments, in a newspaper, that Enoch Powell was "right" on immigration.

Nigel Hastilow, who was to stand in Halesowen and Rowley Regis, resigned after meeting the Tory party chairman.
Party chairman Caroline Spelman said "he chose to resign", adding that it was a "very honourable decision".
Labour minister Hazel Blears accused the Tories of "dithering" over whether to sack Mr Hastilow before he resigned.
The communities secretary said: "David Cameron has still not condemned Mr Hastilow's words, and he must do so without further dithering."

I have been here once before when William Hague was party leader and I have no wish to go there again

Nigel Hastilow

Following her meeting with the former candidate, Mrs Spelman said: "Nigel says in his letter of resignation that he's sorry that his remarks about immigration have undermined the good work that David Cameron has done on this sensitive issue, and also on other issues."
She went on: "He himself felt that if these remarks had caused offence, he was concerned, having made a mistake before of this kind as a parliamentary candidate that it might happen again, and he felt himself that it was better that he should go."
But the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) said Mr Hastilow had simply been expressing views held by "millions" of voters.
Mike Nattrass, who represents the West Midlands area for the party, said: "It is important that this debate on immigration is taken further so we can have an open and honest discussion on this issue."
'Explain himself'
Enoch Powell was sacked from the Conservative shadow cabinet after a controversial speech in 1968 bemoaning the effects of immigration.
Mr Hastilow made the comments in a column for the Express and Star newspaper in Wolverhampton - where Mr Powell had been the MP at the time of his 1968 speech.
The Parliamentary candidate, a former editor of the Birmingham Post, wrote: "When you ask most people in the Black Country what the single biggest problem facing the country is, most say immigration.
"Many insist: 'Enoch Powell was right'. Enoch, once MP for Wolverhampton South-West, was sacked from the Conservative front bench and marginalised politically for his 1968 'rivers of blood' speech, warning that uncontrolled immigration would change our country irrevocably.
"He was right. It has changed dramatically."
Following his meeting with Mrs Spelman he said he was "very sorry" if his remarks had undermined "the progress David Cameron has made on the issue of migration".
'Great caution'
He has been in the news before for his outspoken comments - in 2001, when he was the Tory candidate for Birmingham Edgbaston, he wrote on his website that the party was a "lost cause" - and was quoted by then Labour PM Tony Blair in the Commons.
In his resignation statement on Sunday, Mr Hastilow said: "I have been here once before when William Hague was party leader and I have no wish to go there again."

You cannot just stumble around throwing out comments which are insensitive or inflammatory

David Davis,
Shadow home secretary

"So, with regret and my continuing support for the future, I hereby tender my resignation as parliamentary candidate for Halesowen and Rowley Regis.
"I thank my friends in the constituency association for their support."
A Conservative spokesman said: "We have accepted Mr Hastilow's resignation and wish him well for the future."
'Public views'
Asked about Mr Hastilow's comments earlier, shadow chancellor George Osborne told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "Candidates of any party - Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat - have to exercise great caution in the language they use about immigration."
And speaking to ITV1's Sunday Edition, shadow home secretary David Davis said the comments were "very unwise" and the constituency party should "think very hard" about how they expected their candidate to behave.
"You cannot just stumble around throwing out comments which are insensitive or inflammatory," he said.
But Mary Docker, chairwoman of Mr Hastilow's local Conservative association, said earlier she did not think he had done anything wrong.
She told BBC News 24: "He's basically just raising issues that have been raised with him when he has been canvassing the area.
"All he is doing is just relaying the views of the public, which is what a politician should do." Liberal Democrat chief of staff Edward Davey said the incident raised "serious questions, both about the Conservative Party's selection procedures and the views of at least some of their grass roots members".