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    Default ""Why do we need to create an opposition?"

    Democracy being further eroded in our good old Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by bbc
    Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov has said there is no need for any official opposition parties in the southern Russian republic.

    Mr Kadyrov also repeated that 100% of voters in Chechnya would support the party headed by Russian President Vladimir Putin in coming elections.

    Mr Kadyrov, 31, told foreign journalists in the capital, Grozny, the Chechen people loved their government.

    He also denied he or his militia had committed any human rights violations.

    Personality cult denied


    This was not a conventional news conference. The Russian and Chechen officials who have been escorting us around Chechnya over the past two days told us to wait outside at one of the capital's main squares.

    An hour later, Mr Kadyrov marched through the city streets with minimal security to greet us and answer our questions.

    Dressed casually in a leather jacket he dismissed allegations that he or his notorious militia had committed human rights violations since taking control of Chechnya with the full backing of Moscow.

    He also denied the population now lived in a state of fear or that he had created a personality cult around himself.

    But he was blunt when asked whether there was a need for opposition parties in the republic, especially with national parliamentary elections due at the beginning of December.

    "Why do we need to create an opposition if we, the government, are going in the right direction and people love us?" he said.

    And, he added, there was already an opposition - "the people who tell us when we need to do things differently".

    But an independent media organisation here told us there is a state of fear in Chechnya, even though the conflict with separatist rebels is now largely over.

    And that probably means that most people who do turn out to vote in next month's elections will heed Mr Kadyrov's call to vote for United Russia, a political party - created by the Kremlin - of which President Putin will be chief candidate.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7074077.stm

    Suprised....?

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    Not the most subtle of Putin's puppet rulers.

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    Default Re: ""Why do we need to create an opposition?"

    Surprised? Lol, about as surprising as the sun rising every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaptownKnight View Post
    Surprised? Lol, about as surprising as the sun rising every day.
    Im interested in czar's opinion on this.

    Pipe up czar, u were around a minute ago.

    another link involving the curbing of democracy by Putin's regime ive also just found on bbc website:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7072579.stm

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    Default Re: ""Why do we need to create an opposition?"

    Stick to the topic, instead of dragging in leftover arguments from other threads. If you want to challenge .Czar to a direct debate, take it to Garbarsardar's Fight Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Stick to the topic, instead of dragging in leftover arguments from other threads. If you want to challenge .Czar to a direct debate, take it to Garbarsardar's Fight Club.
    Wow awesome

    Didn't know about that forum!
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    I have to admit I am waiting eagerly for Czar's inventive response. I am hoping he will come up with something good, rather than dribbling on about how NATO daily bombs the Moscow state orphanage.

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    Oh man, I am bracing myself for the laughter that will surely cause me tons of pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    Democracy being further eroded in our good old Russia.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7074077.stm

    Suprised....?
    yes, Kadyrov is a SOB. but he is our SOB. as long as he keeps Chechnya in firm grip and as long as there are no chechen terrorists roaming around, I do not care how the caucasian highlanders govern themselves.

    PS: as far as people who want to see Chechen republic as an enclave of Western-style liberal democracy, you guys are obviously kidding yourself.

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    Most of you are Libertarians, you just havent figured it out yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    I do not care how the caucasian highlanders govern themselves.
    govern themselves being the key part of your post czar. The fact here as we have already established from the bbc article is that they cannot govern themselves as they are being terrorised into voting for a certain idol of yours.

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    You mean you don't care that the caucasian highlanders don't govern themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Stick to the topic, instead of dragging in leftover arguments from other threads. If you want to challenge .Czar to a direct debate, take it to Garbarsardar's Fight Club.
    Forum vs. Czar - why can't you answer a ****ing question?

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    Chechens love their government!

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    Carach, you have no idea how the Chechen tapes/clans are run and governed. even during the Soviet times, they had their own system parallel to Russian offical one.

    I also havent heared any complains from you guys how the Afghanistan is run nowadays. there is a specific reason why Turkey is the only formal "democracy" which is an islamic state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Carach, you have no idea how the Chechen tapes/clans are run and governed. even during the Soviet times, they had their own system parallel to Russian offical one.

    I also havent heared any complains from you guys how the Afghanistan is run nowadays. there is a specific reason why Turkey is the only formal "democracy" which is an islamic state.
    Awww, man, he did go for the typical NATO diversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Awww, man, he did go for the typical NATO diversion.
    well afghanistan is involved with nato right now so its close enough i guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    yes, hard to argue with your own claims, isnt it?
    your not making sense. Keep it on topic please rather than using passive trolling as per usual C.

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    Default Re: ""Why do we need to create an opposition?"

    Umm... Afghanistan is a democracy. And Hamid Karzi is no puppet as Bush found out when he aligned himself with Iran in an issue.
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    Umm... Afghanistan is a democracy.
    I am sorry, but I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    I am sorry, but I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at this statement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_...ection%2C_2004

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_...ection%2C_2005

    Notice that Karzi won by only 5.5% of the electorate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Awww, man, he did go for the typical NATO diversion.
    yes, hard to argue with your own claims, isnt it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    you can not be serious about any democratic ellections under the barrel of a gun, especially when the fighting is continuing on their soil. also, even Afghans themselves admit that true power of Karzay pretty much ends at the outskirts of Kabul.
    Last edited by Panzerbear; November 02, 2007 at 09:51 AM.

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