Hungary's princess doesn't want to marry Crown Prince Mustafa?

[Immaculate]

I am playing as Turkey and i sent a diplomat to make contact with the Hungarian princess because i wanted her to marry my crown prince to cement an alliance between our people. I finally make contact with her (she had wandered into HRE territory) and when I open the diplomacy screen with her, the option to marry her to my heir was not available. WHY?

The crown prince was currently unmarried, 34 years old, and had adopted sons.

The Pope had called a crusade on Turkish Jerusulem but the Hungarians had not joined the crusade (only Poland had). Turkey and Hungary had trade rights and had traded world maps previous to this diplomatic encounter. We had never been to war.

Can you think of any other reasons why marriage would not be available?

[Samir]

muslim christian marriages are not possible in MedII.

and its quiet historical too. there were very few attemtps to do this in history, Salahadin and Richard Lionheart discussed a marriage between their son and daughter for a while, but finally abandoned the plan.

though it would have been romantic

[Ryoken]

To build on that, royal marriages really only make sense within a quasi-legal system of titles and claims. When titles and claims are inherited, you need to take great care managing your family's relationships so that things fall into place. As the Muslims were considered outside of that realm of law for Christian rulers to follow, why would you marry them? Only for alliances. Which is actually a much less common reason in real life than to secure a claim on a piece of land (the main reason for intermarriage in Europe).

What is that phrase from the post-renaissance time period? "The French conquer, the Habsburgs marry?"

If you really want to see the craziness of this, play Crusader Kings (another game, not a mod for MTW2). It is only game I have seen where you play a family rather than a country. So you could have a huge empire under your patriarch, he could die, and if you havent gotten your claims set up right your heir to the throne could end up only having a title to duke of some tiny island or some crap. It is a wild game. It is very hard to hold onto vast territories for very long because your leader keeps dying and you lose your claims on like half the land. Like in real life! It is the only game where I found myself cursing my character's brother for taking my land away from me.

[Evolution]

Salahadin and Richard Lionheart

lmao that would have been cool.

[AngryTitusPullo]

muslim christian marriages are not possible in MedII.

Playing as Moors I had Byzantine princess accepted marriage proposal to my Heir, so muslim-christian (orthodox at least) do exist in M2TW.

[Paul d]

muslim christian marriages are not possible in MedII.

and its quiet historical too. there were very few attemtps to do this in history, Salahadin and Richard Lionheart discussed a marriage between their son and daughter for a while, but finally abandoned the plan.

though it would have been romantic

that would have possibly saved christian crusader states. richards daughter threatened to kill herself or something retarded like that if she ever married a non catholic.

[babieca del cid]

muslim christian marriages are not possible in MedII.

and its quiet historical too. there were very few attemtps to do this in history, Salahadin and Richard Lionheart discussed a marriage between their son and daughter for a while, but finally abandoned the plan.

though it would have been romantic

In fact it was Richards sister Joan, and Sulahadin's brother Al-Adil. Just wanted to point that.

[Sher Khan]

It was not unheard of, however. Especially for a Muslim man and Christian woman. It was actually a bit commonplace in Outremer and Andalusia.

Maybe if we could make the option less desirable, like really hard to achieve in diplomacy (very demanding and what not).

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

It was not unheard of, however. Especially for a Muslim man and Christian woman. It was actually a bit commonplace in Outremer and Andalusia.

Maybe if we could make the option less desirable, like really hard to achieve in diplomacy (very demanding and what not).

The Lion Khan speaks the truth.
I'm reading "Suleiman the Magnificent" by Andre Clot and it mentions how the rival Byzantium kings offered their daughters in marriage to the early Oslamli Turks in exchange for military support.

[Miraj]

Eastern Christian kings regularly offered up their daughters/sisters to more powerful Khans and Sultans sometimes as a form of tribute and peace deal. I recall a prominent Georgian Queen became married to the Sultan of Rum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusudan...e_and_children

[The Noble Lord]

Eastern Christian kings regularly offered up their daughters/sisters to more powerful Khans and Sultans sometimes as a form of tribute and peace deal. I recall a prominent Georgian Queen became married to the Sultan of Rum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusudan...e_and_children

Hi all,

Thats right, there were many marriages between Christians and Muslims especially in the Asia Minor, Middle East and Moor spain. And even before that, Byzantine legend Basill the Bulgar Slayer had given his 22 year-old sister which was quite a beauty to the leader of the Rus which was King Vladimir. In return Vladimir became Orthodox Christian and sent five thousand men to Basill which eventualy became Varangian Guard and precisely those troops helped Basill gain the throne in the fight against the rival Doucas family which were claimants to the throne. And lets remember that Byzantine emperor Paleologus ( I forgot which one exactly ) offered his 18 year-old daughter to the much older mongol conquerer Timur in order to ask him to attack the Ottoman Turks which were on the rampage in the early 1400s. Eventualy there was no marriage, but Timur destroyed the Turks and captured their sultan Bayazid anyway. Lets face it, those marriages were political convenience and good way to cement your relationship with your possible enemy. Since you had too many enemies, one way to reduce it was to mary your daughters and sisters. Sons were considered more valuable and were above daughters which were assumed to be weak rulers anyway. So we should definitely have the option of inter-faith marriages in M2TW. It would be more interesting and also it has historical back-up as well.


CHEERS



" huns, mongols, timurids are the scourge of GOD "

[Ryoken]

I dont think that occassional intermarriage between Spain and Moors or the Byzantines and their neighbors justifies creating muslim princesses and allowing marriages will all factions.

If you could only allow a faction with border with muslims to do it, that would be fair, but I dont think you can do that.

[Odovacar]

But hungarians did not, so its historical
Personally I wave nothing agains it in the game, but it seems to be not working in this case.

[Sher Khan]

But hungarians did not, so its historical
Personally I wave nothing agains it in the game, but it seems to be not working in this case.

Those Hungarian girls are missing out.


But it's not working out? Surely there's a way to work around this, as Orthodox/Catholic marriages seem to work just fine.

[Ryoken]

The problem is that there are no muslim princess sprites.

At least, that is what the error log said when I tried it.

[Skirnir]

Those Hungarian girls are missing out.

Actually, they aren't. The majority of Christian/Moslem marriages were the result of Moslem slavers raiding European coasts. Even then, most of the women taken ended up staying in the harem.

Funny how most examples of these marriages given by posters were in the East and Spain, places where the Moslems were actively at war against the natives. Then such marriages take on the flavor of danegeld.

Moslems raided as far afield as Ireland, England, and Iceland for white women, which were quite a commodity in those days (just as they are today).

[Sher Khan]

But there's already a mod with Muslim princesses, I believe.

[Ryoken]

Then my guess is that they made new sprites.

[Sher Khan]

I believe they copied over the Princess sprites, turned them green or yellow or orange, and darkened the skin tones on their portraits. Eastern or Mediterranean voices were used then, I believe.

[Prince Rodrigo]

in vanilla MTW2, u can marry Christians with Muslims????