6 Deadly Successor Factions at 10K denarii: Who Rules?

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Hail!
Who do you guys think is the deadliest Successor faction at the default denarii setting (10,000)?

Without rules, I'd say Egypt and Pontus are the deadliest (if you consider R:TW's Egypt as Ptolemaic Egypt). So to make things more interesting, I've thrown in one condition to curtail Egypt and Pontus' advantage: NO CHARIOT ARCHERS (in any form)!

Here are the choices:
- Egypt (no chariot archers)
- Pontus (no chariot archers)
- Thrace
- Macedon
- Greece
- Seleucids

Here's a glance at each faction...

THRACE


GREECE


MACEDON


PONTUS (No Chariot Archers)


SELEUCIDS


EGYPT (No Egyptian Chariot Generals. No Egyptian Chariot Archers)


Who reigns supreme? Are Pontus and Egypt still a threat without chariot archers? What do you guys think?

[Scutarii]

Seleucids. I love their diverse roster. Cataphracts, Chariots, Legions, Pikesand elephants are a killer combo.

[movemove]

dpends how they are used and who they are used against. like scutarii said, seleucid simply because of the diverse roster.
on sa side note, where greece and thrace sucessors? greece, I think, became independat after alexander, although cassander or some other guy created epirus , which is a rebel state on rtw.
thrace, I think, had existed for a long time, I remember reading somewhere that participated in the trojan war or somethin like that. (it was actually called thraki, but im assuming that is greek for thrace_)

[LeonidasOfSparta]

egypt canot be beaten even with no ha rule

btw there are still ca left for egypt u removed only ha so we can use camels lol

[Prince_of_Macedon]

on sa side note, where greece and thrace sucessors?

Not really Greece, but I really couldn't have a Successor showdown without the Greeks.

Thrace, yes. After Alexander's death, Lysimachus of Macedon took over (as Ptolemy had taken Egypt).

btw there are still ca left for egypt u removed only ha so we can use camels lol

I know exactly what I did. Remember - I made the comment about Egypt's camel archers in the Horse Archer Tourney thread?

Camel Archers aren't as daunting as Chariot Archers. So I purposely left them in the mix.

[LeonidasOfSparta]

yes i do

im gonna own with camels lmao CAMEL TIME

[Prince_of_Macedon]

Don't get too excited - I still might ban camel archers for the tourney lol

But for now, we'll pretend they're included

[LeonidasOfSparta]

i wont use them anyway i dont need them chaz own too much aloing with missiles lol none stands a chance against might of pharaoh and im ready to prove it

[Jubal_Barca]

It depends on the commander, but Thrace kicks ass like hell...

[Prince_of_Macedon]

i wont use them anyway i dont need them chaz own too much aloing with missiles lol none stands a chance against might of pharaoh and im ready to prove it

Very good! I'm glad you're still happy with them!

It depends on the commander, but Thrace kicks ass like hell...

They're especially dangerous against the chosen factions!

[HansDuet]

Greek cities or Seleucids
Vote goes for Spartans and heavy peltasts.
Egypt? I'll roll over teh hippies...

[Axeman]

I would have said Pontus if you had left in hose archers, but oh well, my vote goes towards hte selecuids then.

(though armenia owns them all anyway)

[LeonidasOfSparta]

lol why everyone votes for sele? they suck big time and are only good against rome on 15k coz of catas


@hans duet:

egypt is best faction on rome until 15k , greeks can be used against egypt only if player has great skill with them

btw none online uses spartans and heavy peltasts , cause spartans are too expensive while heavy peltasts suck compared to archers

[Roman14]

lol why everyone votes for sele? they suck big time and are only good against rome on 15k coz of catas

Seleucids are good aganst a few factions on multi player. on the campaign i have to say its you vs three other faction(pontos,armenia, and egypt and some times parthia) chances of wining very slim. Unless you beat egypt right from the start

[HansDuet]

My vote went to Greeks and for good reason. I dislike Egypt.
Heavy peltasts suck compared to archers? Completely different troops. Enemy heavy infantry is mince-meat against peltasts...

[LeonidasOfSparta]

My vote went to Greeks and for good reason. I dislike Egypt.
Heavy peltasts suck compared to archers? Completely different troops. Enemy heavy infantry is mince-meat against peltasts...

lol if we meet in online anythim ur free to use peltasts against egypts archers.....

[HansDuet]

lol if we meet in online anythim ur free to use peltasts against egypts archers.....

Sorry, I don't play vanilla anymore.
But when i did, i find them very useful as supporting units for my phalanx. After they have spend their javelins (ap=dead heavy infantry) they are still useful at flanking. I rarely used archers..
The thing is, i don't use peltasts against archers. Waste of good javelins. Let the heavy infantry or anyone close enough to my phalanx line taste them instead.

[Domitius]

To Roman14: It isn't very hard to win as selucids on campaign on VH/VH settings. You just have to focus on the Egyptians and defend against the other factions. It's pretty easy because of the big variety of units and phalanxes, which are excellent in cities.

But this is a bit off-thread discussion. In my opinion it depends very much on the commander. I can mention Oman as an example. He's excellent with Britons, which is a team not that many players master. They are lethal too, but every faction's strength builds on a ground of nice tactics. I, myself play best with Macedon, but it's different. Everyone's not the same.

[Prince_of_Macedon]

The problem with Peltasts is that they're roughly the same price as Archers. So basically, it comes down to what would you rather have: Peltasts or Archers?

Archers have more ammo; they have longer-range; they can trade shots with other archers; they can kill elephants at a distance (unlike peltasts who have to be very close); and again, they're roughly the same price as peltasts.

I used to bring Peltasts online, but everytime I looked at the battle statistics, the peltasts would only scrape about 10 kills per units. So I replaced their slot with more archers.

Whenever I see Peltasts in my opponent's army, I treat them just like Peasants.

[movemove]

I find HEAVY peltasts quite useful in pphalanx heavy nations, they can pepper the enemy, make useful reserves and hold cracks ina phalanx just as well as heavy infantry.