Saudi Monarchy

[Каие]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7067469.stm

Today the Saudi King, visited London, he was met with protests about Saudi Arabias terrible human rights record and democracy.

my question is why the hell are they still in power when saddam was removed, the Iranian regime is going through the second phase to remove it. Why does the worst countrys leader still live?

[Mythos]

He is sitting on lots of oil and has the "sense" to be an American client. That was enough for those hypocrites that resided in the White House at various points in time.

[Joker85]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7067469.stm

Today the Saudi King, visited London, he was met with protests about Saudi Arabias terrible human rights record and democracy.

my question is why the hell are they still in power when saddam was removed, the Iranian regime is going through the second phase to remove it. Why does the worst countrys leader still live?

Because we can not fight everyone at once.

"Why is stalin still alive and why are we working with him when we are at war with hitler?!"

Sometimes you have to work with people who do bad things, that does not mean you are then suddenly unable to take a stand against evil because at times you have been forced to work with less than worthy allies.

Unless of course you would have had us declare war on the USSR during ww2.

[jankren]

Because we can not fight everyone at once.

"Why is stalin still alive and why are we working with him when we are at war with hitler?!"

Sometimes you have to work with people who do bad things, that does not mean you are then suddenly unable to take a stand against evil because at times you have been forced to work with less than worthy allies.

Unless of course you would have had us declare war on the USSR during ww2.

Bringing up the WWII in order to show how 'angelic' USA was is kinda a moot point because at that time USA was far from an angel because not only it was treating its minorities very badly, it was also killing a lot of Filipino population in the Phillipines. So basically neither Soviet Union, Germany nor USA was any holier than the other. If Germany won the war right now instead of we have Americans who keep boasting how they stopped Jew-killers, we would have Germans who keep talking about how Germany defeated a racist country of African-killers.

[Joker85]

Bringing up the WWII in order to show how 'angelic' USA was is kinda a moot point because at that time USA was far from an angel because not only it was treating its minorities very badly, it was also killing a lot of Filipino population in the Phillipines. So basically neither Soviet Union, Germany nor USA was any holier than the other. If Germany won the war right now instead of we have Americans who keep boasting how they stopped Jew-killers, we would have Germans who keep talking about how Germany defeated a racist country of African-killers.

Yes. Jim Crow is as bad as gassing 12 million people, or purging 20 million.

Oh and uh, those phillipines we were killing were fighting and dying along side the US against the Japanese. But there go those silly little facts again. Carry on your simplistic moral relativism. It's entertaining.

[Siblesz]

Because we can not fight everyone at once.

"Why is stalin still alive and why are we working with him when we are at war with hitler?!"

Sometimes you have to work with people who do bad things, that does not mean you are then suddenly unable to take a stand against evil because at times you have been forced to work with less than worthy allies.

Unless of course you would have had us declare war on the USSR during ww2.

Haha! No... it's because a tyrant who's in favour of American interests is no tyrant at all. But it's OK... you can go on thinking that Saddam was evil and that Iraq was a fight for freedom in the Middle East.

[Joker85]

Haha! No... it's because a tyrant who's in favour of American interests is no tyrant at all. But it's OK... you can go on thinking that Saddam was evil and that Iraq was a fight for freedom in the Middle East.

Given where you were born, and where you currently live, it is no surprise you don't think he was evil.

[RusskiSoldat]

Eh, I'm not sure how much better democracy would be.
A strong monarchy owns everything, and has a very direct interest in punishing embezzlers.
A republic is a government run by embezzlers.

[bushbush]

A strong monarchy owns everything, and has a very direct interest in punishing embezzlers.
A republic is a government run by embezzlers.

crude, yet so true

[Mansa musa]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7067469.stm

Today the Saudi King, visited London, he was met with protests about Saudi Arabias terrible human rights record and democracy.

my question is why the hell are they still in power when saddam was removed, the Iranian regime is going through the second phase to remove it. Why does the worst countrys leader still live?

because everyone knows that it's perfectly acceptable to gas torture murder execute and oppress people under the u.s's watch as long as you support the U.S

[Kiljan Arslan]

In truth i prefeer Ahmadinejad to them at least he allows Freedom of religion to exist to an extent compare that to the Saudis if you bring a bible there your liable to get canned if not beheaded.

[Mansa musa]

In truth i prefeer Ahmadinejad to them at least he allows Freedom of religion to exist to an extent compare that to the Saudis if you bring a bible there your liable to get canned if not beheaded.

there official stance is that they'll check your luggage for a bible and shread it in front of your face.

[danzig]

If you dont like the Saudi monarchy go convince your goverment to invade it and replace the regime...good luck with that. Given the state Saudi Arabia is in would the alternatives be any better? I also find it highly amusing people will attack Iraq, Afganistan but then go hey we really should be in country X instead! In attacking what you precieve to be hypocritical behavior by western goverments you yourself are being hypocrites.

Btw the bible shreading thing comes from the 1990s and an evangelical priest who claims the Saudis take bibles and shread them nothing is said of "in your face" and it is still simply a single person's accusations with no proof to back it up since the only sources for the story are suprise suprise evanglical websites. Dont let that stop you from making baseless claims though.

[RusskiSoldat]

there official stance is that they'll check your luggage for a bible and shread it in front of your face.

That would surprise me given that the Old and New Testaments are holy in Islam as well.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yes well they practice a form of Islam invented by a inbred leacher named ibn Abd-al-Wahhab( yes I know what his first name was and he never deserved that name). This form of Islam basicly claims a "littoral" interpertation of the Quaran. (Guess he forgot the part about how Dhimmitude meant leaving the Dhimmi alone and not ripping up their holy books) This form of Islam also states that women should basicly live as slaves to their Husbands and says that modesty means the women covering her entire body in public. if she shows say even a heel she'll at the very least very least be called a harlot and canned. The Saudis have also been expoting Wahabism especially since they got oil. This exporting of it we can thank for helping bringing about Al Quida, the Taliban and to a lesser extent the Muslim Brotherhood.


Oh and heres a nice song about Saudi Arabia at 2:12 of the Youtube Video


If you did not know that is from American Dad.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I believe Jnakren was talking about the only blight on my avatars reputation which was the supression of the first Philopino independence movement, and Jankren I understand however do not agree with your statement about the US. Becasue we did support that ******* (may someone crash a truck full of explosives into his mansion and push the explode button) Suharto who destroyed your country.

[bdh]

my question is why the hell are they still in power when saddam was removed, the Iranian regime is going through the second phase to remove it. Why does the worst countrys leader still live?

They're not perceived as a real threat to anyone other than their own people. Given the circumstances, its probably better to let them be and let natural political forces in the country over time make changes. That typically is how democracies and civil rights evolved in the west, from monarchy to democracy. There is little need to change the model, especially if future arab politicians can work to avoid conflict.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

An ally in need is an ally indeed.

John Simpson asked Al-Fahd what Saudi Arabia would be like in 20 years from now. Simpson obviously wanted to ask about the societal changes the kingdom would see. Al-Fahd said that the infrastructure would differ dramatically but the values of the people would remain the same.

I don't know, to be honest. There are elements in there - especially the Oxridge-bred sons - that are pushing for reforms. They're being opposed by equally zealous clerics, however. If there is to be change in the kingdom, it'd be very slow indeed. That's all I can say.

All the people that are appalled by the king's visit should know that he recently pumped US$40 Billion plus into the British economy by agreeing to purchase some Typhoon Eurofighters (what would the Saudis do with those advances planes anyway, save for the occasional joyride, of course?). He's a strategic partner Britain doesn't want to lose.

Why does the worst countrys leader still live?

He's still alive because he's smart. He doesn't openly say anything controversial. For example, we all know he feels very strongly against the war in Iraq but when asked about it before his official tour to Britain, he said he doesn't want to be dishonest about the issue so he won't answer any questions about Iraq.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Well his continual funding of the Wahabists is what I think will bring about his families end, much like how the Russians did in the Early 1900s when they decided to support revolutionaries in the slavic states.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Hmmm that would be an interesting development. I mean, the hardcore Wahabists dislike the Saudi monarchy with a lot of intensity but would the West let the Saudis be overthrown by Al-Qaeda-esque zealots? Moreover, with all the weapons the Saudis are buying for their forves, how will an internal attempt be successful?

It's quite ironic though because the Saudis fund Wahabi missions all across the Islamic world ..