General's HP

**movemove** · October 27, 2007, 08:27 PM

just a question about HP raising traits, does the HP bonus apply to the enitire bodyguard or only to the general himself?
thanks..

**Selifator** · October 28, 2007, 02:35 AM

Every model in the unit has as much hp as is in the unit description. The general can have more hp because of traits or ancillaries.
This shows in the game by the survivability of general units. Their stats aren't much better than other heavy cavalry but they can destroy almost any heavy or light cavalry unit of equal size (cataphracts and horse archers are a different case.)

**LeonidasOfSparta** · October 28, 2007, 03:17 AM

gen has all units hps + 5

**movemove** · October 28, 2007, 05:09 AM

edid I misread something or did I get 2 different answers? :hmmm:

**Domitius** · October 28, 2007, 04:19 AM

I don't think that the trait raises the HPs of every man in the unit. This could do the unit better with the double! They could survive anything then! The trait can't raise the HPs of all men IMO.

**Selifator** · October 28, 2007, 04:32 AM

Ever heard of spartans? All the man in that unit have 2 hp, and you can see it when they are being shot by missile fire.
General units can take a lot of missile fire, put a HC unit with similar stats next to it and those will likely die faster.

**snuggans** · October 28, 2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Selifator

General units can take a lot of missile fire, put a HC unit with similar stats next to it and those will likely die faster.

well.. not as much as infantry with same amount of HP.
horses make much easier targets..

**Scutarii** · October 28, 2007, 09:21 AM

All men in a general cavalry unit have 2 hp. The general then gets even more as a base hp and that can be added to through traits, ie in the pink, scarred etc. These traits only affect his individual health, not those of his bodyguards.

**Ephialtes The Dog** · October 28, 2007, 09:41 AM

Scutarii is right.

**Selifator** · October 28, 2007, 11:32 AM

Then I assume I was right, got a bit confused by that...

EDIT
@ Domitius, they can't whip every other unit because the men still have the same amount of attacks. That does not increase, they can just take one more hit. So they will survive longer but do not hit harder as a consequence.

**movemove** · October 28, 2007, 11:15 PM

thanks guys

I think i an remember once when a general of mine had lost all his bodyguards and took down like 20 troops by himself before I withdrew him (he survived, and got 9exp)

**Vault Dweller** · October 29, 2007, 12:00 AM

9 exp! Not bad. I've only ever gotten 7 with my carefully retrained and merged Naked Fanatics as Gaul (They took part in all my best battles, and were always on the flanks)

**LennStar** · November 03, 2007, 04:48 PM

Only the gereral gets additional HP. Thats the reason why he is often the last man standing (in my rain of arrows).

Always use your faction leader as your main general on long fights. He saves you a lot of retraining by simply killing every unit he engages from the rear. 50 generals man are like a hammer on a paper wall. Romans are the main faction for that. Pin the enemy with your heavy infantry and than in the rear: one, two, three... and most of the armies will route now if you have killed their general in the process.
I mostly fire one or two volleys of all my arches at the beginning on him and than make a face-to-face of generals. Than the "hammer of god" and the battle is over.
The general-crush is especially effective on pinned phalanx. (but with bad luck your general gets a spear knock back, he crushes in the back! and dies. Really annoying.)

**Selifator** · October 29, 2007, 11:07 AM

I also had around 7-8 xp. The magical 3 gold chevrons have always eluded me (except in custom battles)

**movemove** · October 29, 2007, 11:11 PM

my general (he is the leader now) is a killing machine on the field. with his 57 bodyguaqrds, he routed 2 units of equites, 3 units of hastati/principes and a few units of random velites etc.. sall without losing a single man. seriously. this w as a recent battle in libya.
I saw his gaurds charge into the equitres and I was c shocked. about 6 or 7 of the cavalry died instantly on impact at exactly the same time (it was sorta funny too, 7 horses tumbling over at exactly the same time in exactly the same way

)
so yeh, he killed off a roman half stack while the rest of his army sat back bored. ;g

**Selifator** · October 30, 2007, 02:42 AM

I always have trouble getting experience for my infantry (with romans), since my generals do all the work. I only use infantry to pin the enemy and then kill them with rear charges from my general. That gets you big and very experienced general units in notime.