Hoplite spears

**Ano2** · October 27, 2007, 12:48 PM

Any chance on a patch to fix these so they aren't massive? I asked this in 0.81 and was told it would be worked on.

Cheers, Ano2

**starXdiaMoo** · October 28, 2007, 02:53 PM

Yes, I would be glad if someone shortened their spears as well. I think they should all have the same length as the Epilektoi Hoplitai.

**Leão magno** · November 02, 2007, 05:56 PM

The major problem is their running, the size during battle is passable, anyway, they do look impressive!

**Ano2** · November 13, 2007, 07:49 AM

Any reply please?

**Foot** · November 13, 2007, 11:35 AM

Its an animation problem and we don't have the animators to solve it.

Foot

**starXdiaMoo** · November 15, 2007, 06:44 AM

So why do Epilektoi Hoplitai not have the same problem, though they use the same animation as other hoplites?

**Korinthos Hoplites** · November 15, 2007, 08:33 AM

Foot, he's talking about the length of the spear, not the animation.

**Ano2** · November 15, 2007, 12:21 PM

The problem I believe is a model problem. What appears to have happened, is that the vanilla hoplites were remodelled, and taken out of phalanx formation. However someone appears to have forgotten to change the size of their spears.

Epilektoi Hoplitai must have been a new model, hence them not having a problem. This problem is only cosmetic (I think) but really stops me playing Greek Cities as it does look a bit redicuolous when they are fighting.

**Korinthos Hoplites** · November 15, 2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ano2

The problem I believe is a model problem. What appears to have happened, is that the vanilla hoplites were remodelled, and taken out of phalanx formation. However someone appears to have forgotten to change the size of their spears.

I believe this is not true. I think the modeler just oversized the spears intentionally. If you take a unit out of phalanx, it will have normal (vanilla) size spears, however, the EB hoplitai spears are way beyond vanilla size.

**Ano2** · November 30, 2007, 12:48 AM

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=133895

Same issue perhaps?

**chenkai11** · November 30, 2007, 02:38 AM

yes, the spears are too long and make the units look awkard in battle.

OFF TOPIC:
And just like I post a previous thread, give back the model unit a sword to hoplites and spearmen, so players may choose whether to activate the secondary weapon or not. Coz they are fighting with fist now.

**Ano2** · December 01, 2007, 10:47 AM

No they can't di that because its buggy, I've seen it tried before. You can only give secondary weapon to units that have phalanx formations. But yes this is a model issue and can be fixed, the German spears are about right length for their shieldwall.

**starXdiaMoo** · December 02, 2007, 01:26 PM

Yes, giving spearmen a sword as their secondary version DOES give you the abillity to switch them in battle, though if one soldier gets knocked down he automatically switches to sword.

**chenkai11** · December 02, 2007, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by starXdiaMoo

Yes, giving spearmen a sword as their secondary version DOES give you the abillity to switch them in battle, though if one soldier gets knocked down he automatically switches to sword.

Presume they drop the spear or the spear was damaged when they are being knocked down, so they switch to their sword.

The only problem I can see with spearmen having swords is when you order them to charge they immediately switch to swords, but somehow you can command them to switch back to spear again.

**starXdiaMoo** · December 03, 2007, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by chenkai11

Presume they drop the spear or the spear was damaged when they are being knocked down, so they switch to their sword.

Eh? Why should someone presume that? It sounds logical to some point but I'm sure that when you are knocked down, your weapon doesn't fly in the air or gets knocked away evey time as well

It's irritating if they switch to swords if you are fighting cavalry for example upon being knocked down

Besides if you are fighting a big battle you can't possibly keep an eye on every unit changing weapons

**chenkai11** · December 03, 2007, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by starXdiaMoo

Eh? Why should someone presume that? It sounds logical to some point but I'm sure that when you are knocked down, your weapon doesn't fly in the air or gets knocked away evey time as well

It's irritating if they switch to swords if you are fighting cavalry for example upon being knocked down

Besides if you are fighting a big battle you can't possibly keep an eye on every unit changing weapons

Well, can't argue with your point.

When they switch weapons, the spearmen lost their purpose and role in battle. If only the game could have the option of ordering the unit to do more.