Supply traits

[suntzu84]

Very nice mod there, but I find the supply traits kind of silly because they only affect named characters. Captain armies are allowed to stay in the field forever and as the AI use almost only these the whole system is annoying. I don't think there is another way to simulate supplies in the current engine, but I would like to know if it is possibile to disable the traits in the mod. Thanks.

[Arakorn]

You can disable them by commenting out them with semi colon ( in front of each line containing them, including the descr_strat. I don't know if you need to do anything else, Apoc can help you with that, as he does the traits. Doing this any other way would require scripts, as captains cannot have traits, only admirals. And we don't want to use scripts because they are usually unstable.

[Aradan]

Well, first of all I have only made the player's faction able to get the supply trait. So it doesn't matter what the AI does (the AI can't handle the trait cleverly anyway).
If you want to remove it just open export_descr_character_traits.txt, scroll down to the end of the file (triggers section) and outcomment everything below the "Existing Generals" box. No need to mess with descr_strat.

[ljuboja]

Well, first of all I have only made the player's faction able to get the supply trait. So it doesn't matter what the AI does (the AI can't handle the trait cleverly anyway).
If you want to remove it just open export_descr_character_traits.txt, scroll down to the end of the file (triggers section) and outcomment everything below the "Existing Generals" box. No need to mess with descr_strat.

what do you mean by outcommenting?

[therussian]

What exactly does it do?

[Aradan]

It 'measures' the supplies a general has left for his army. When he moves in enemy lands (especially when moving fast), after losing a battle, when sieging or being besieged, when moving by ship, the supply level drops and the soldiers become unhappy, weaker, etc When devastating a tile, capturing/enslaving/exterminating/sacking a settlement, when you spend the turn in one etc, after you win a battle etc it increases again - and soldeir become happier again -, depending on the settlement level, its farms, the regional fertility etc. There are otehr factors like the logistical skill of the general and discipline of his army, luck, culture (barbarians for example live off the land more easily) and some more will be added in 2.5.

[Aradan]

Putting a semicolon ( ; ) before the actual code, makes the engine see everything in that line that follows the semicolon as a comment and it does not affect the game.

Since the title of the thread is relevant, there is a pretty decent explanation of how the supply system works here ===> http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...&postcount=408

[ljuboja]

so for example :

;------------------------------------------

Trigger AfterBattle_Victory_1
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WonBattle
and PercentageOfArmyKilled >= 25
and CharacterIsLocal
and Trait supply > 3

Affects supply -1 Chance 25

;------------------------------------------

where would i put the semicolon?

[Aradan]

The lines with the dashes ("---------") are outcommented currently, as you can see, otherwise the engine would try to read them and give an error message. if you want to disable that trigger you have to put a semicolon in front of every line of it, so you'd get this:

;------------------------------------------
;
;Trigger AfterBattle_Victory_1
;WhenToTest PostBattle
;
;Condition WonBattle
;and PercentageOfArmyKilled >= 25
;and CharacterIsLocal
;and Trait supply > 3
;
;Affects supply -1 Chance 25
;
;------------------------------------------

[ljuboja]

i see, thank you

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Sorry where are the files so i can put the semi colons in so i can stop the supply traits?

[Aradan]

Rome - Total War/bi/ci/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt. Outcomment only the supply-related triggers (they are marked, you'll know them).

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Rome - Total War/bi/ci/data/export_descr_character_traits.txt. Outcomment only the supply-related triggers (they are marked, you'll know them).

Okay thank you, and will that stop the supply trait for all the characters in the campaign map?

[Aradan]

Yes. But it will only work in new games.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Yes. But it will only work in new games.

Oh......

[LOTR MODS]

what do you mean by NEWgames???

[LOTR MODS]

i have version 2. but plannig on patchinh to 2.6 today will that fix the problem

[Aradan]

What problem exactly?

And yes, do get 2.6 please, as 2.0 is not supported any more.

[acci_dent]

LOTR MODS is my favourite username ever.

I had no idea the supply system was so complicated, has it changed much since... 2008?

[Aradan]

It hasn't changed at all, because we haven't released anything.

Internally it has changed somewhat in that I redesigned it to avoid that RTW stupid bug where it changes a trait's level, but doesn't change it effects and results in stacked movement-point penalties that makes characters immobile etc.
Before DoM is released it's likely to change more though, depending on balancing and any other ideas I get while messing with VnVs.