Spies - PreBattle Positioning

**Gothic Revenge** · October 24, 2007, 07:45 AM

I would like to clarify this matter with your help.......

Some say that when placing a spy with your army, you can actually see were the enemy will position its forces before the battle is started. Others say it doesn't work.....

I have actually been able to see the position of an enemys army before the battle a few times. How..... I don't know!!!! Was this a bug???

Anybody could give some good info on this?????

**Lost Crusader** · October 24, 2007, 08:17 AM

I don't think you can see enemy positions before battle with a spy. At least it doesn't work for me.

There is one situation when you can actually see position of the enemy: when you successfully ambush them!

**Samir** · October 24, 2007, 08:24 AM

and when they have troops able to hide (in the woods for example) during battle, those troops are visible when you have a spy with you. which can be very viable especially when the enemy tries to flank you through the woods.

**Space Voyager** · October 26, 2007, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Samir

and when they have troops able to hide (in the woods for example) during battle, those troops are visible when you have a spy with you. which can be very viable especially when the enemy tries to flank you through the woods.

When they are trying to flank you they are MOVING. And you can see all moving units even those that are good at hiding in the woods.

I tried the "spy in the army feature" and it makes no difference whatsoever - except that it makes the general harder to kill.

As it has already been written the only time when you see (some) enemy units is with a succesful ambush.

**NobleNick** · October 26, 2007, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Space Voyager

As it has already been written the only time when you see (some) enemy units is with a succesful ambush.

And you also see them before battle start when you are the defender in a city/castle siege.

**Space Voyager** · October 29, 2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by NobleNick

And you also see them before battle start when you are the defender in a city/castle siege.

True.

**Shaun** · October 25, 2007, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Lost Crusader

I don't think you can see enemy positions before battle with a spy. At least it doesn't work for me.

There is one situation when you can actually see position of the enemy: when you successfully ambush them!

God, I haven't seen an ambush in years!

**SGD2C** · October 24, 2007, 11:16 AM

i would also like to point out that if you attack at night, yours and their troops carry torches. so before the battle starts you can see light on the ground and know where their army is in general.

**Gothic Revenge** · October 25, 2007, 06:46 AM

So, was this option with the Spy seeing the enemy postion from Rome???? I know I saw it a few times!!!!!!!

**Evolution** · October 26, 2007, 03:59 AM

It would be logical if you you could see their position if your army had a Spy.

**Gothic Revenge** · October 29, 2007, 10:37 AM

SO, was this a feature from "Rome"???? I did not halucinate! :-)

**Lost Crusader** · October 29, 2007, 10:57 AM

No, there was no such feature in Rome TW, either.

**Exidus Maximus** · October 29, 2007, 10:57 AM

Ya, I dont think you can see them generally... not when the spy is with your army... Now, if the spy is with THEIR army, i dont see why not.

i too remember seeing their position on the field once to twice before... I either had a spy there, or had something else going on... i dont remember... ill try to test this out later.

**Lost Crusader** · October 29, 2007, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Exidus Maximus

Ya, I dont think you can see them generally... not when the spy is with your army... Now, if the spy is with THEIR army, i dont see why not.

How can there be a spy in their army? :hmmm:

**Bob The Fearless** · October 30, 2007, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Lost Crusader

How can there be a spy in their army? :hmmm:

Quite simple, just send a spy into there army like you would any town/city etc.

But maybe you need to do this in the same turn as the attack.

**♔ST0MPA♔** · October 31, 2007, 03:06 AM

I don't think you can actually enter an army like you would a city with your spy. he doesn't exactly disappear inside the army. Would make sense that a high level spy could reveal the enemy pre battle during unit placement. Also would be nice if you could use your own assassins to take out your own troublesome characters tho. maybe if they failed the mission the character would rebel.

**Lord Firkraag** · October 29, 2007, 06:22 PM

I am pretty sure you can see them, you just need a good spy with high subterfuge.

**Space Voyager** · October 30, 2007, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lord Firkraag

I am pretty sure you can see them, you just need a good spy with high subterfuge.

Not that I know of. If you make it work, please post pics.

It would be great if the higher the subterfuge the more of their army you would be able to see though.

**Gothic Revenge** · October 30, 2007, 06:14 AM

I am glad that I am not the only one having seen this happen! *puuuh* :-)
Maybe it was when you were defending against an army. As the attacker always takes up positions first???? I don't know... I am sure that I was attacking and I could see their positions.... maybe a bug???