Can Turkish Army take N.Iraq?

[white-wolf]

Besides the other threads about regarding Turkish-N.Iraq dispute, I would like to create a thread solely about capabilities of Turkish Army.

Please posters, post only about your comments about chance of Turkish Army for it's looming N.Iraq incursion. What will happen? Will Turkish Army invade all N.Iraq or it will be limited? Will Peshmerga battle? Your opinions please.

Debate on!

[Chlodwig I.]

Turkish Army won't invade
they haven't been able before 3rd Gulf war
and they aren't able now

[Lawrence of Arabia]

If Turkey invades, the Peshmerga have already said they would fight the Turks if they invade. I have no doubts that the Turkish military would defeat the the Peshmerga militias but I doubt they'll get the desired results of getting rid of the PKK.

Besides, the PKK already offered a cease-fire and to bring diplomacy to the table with the Turks. The invasion may never happen.

[wilting]

They can take it. They can't hold it.

[Agent Provocateur]

I have no doubts that the Turkish military would defeat the the Peshmerga militias but I doubt they'll get the desired results of getting rid of the PKK.

Besides, the PKK already offered a cease-fire and to bring diplomacy to the table with the Turks. The invasion may never happen.

Succinctly put. I can't see any resolution to any of these "asymmetrical" conflicts without politics. At least not a military one anyone in the region is willing to shoulder.

Look at N Ireland, it took 30 years for a political process to get started. But in that instance (whatever your views) the British governments were willing to sit it out and not just give in after a few years. Till it became obvious that terrorist violence was never going to achieve its stated aims - change by the ballot box no the M16.

Can't see anyone having the staying power or wanting to sit these Middle Eastern problems out.

[The Super Pope]

They lost 12 men dead and 8 captured to one kurdish raid

[white-wolf]

It is not an option to talk with "Terrorists" for Turkey.

I would like to point that the incursion will happen (today or later). The current public rage in Turkey enormous. Similar public demand was same at 1974, before the Cyprus invasion. If the Turkey will not make a show, the Turkish Goverment can not stay in its office.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

It is not an option to talk with "Terrorists" for Turkey.

I would like to point that the incursion will happen (today or later). The current public rage in Turkey enormous. Similar public demand was same at 1974, before the Cyprus invasion. If the Turkey will not make a show, the Turkish Goverment can not stay in its office.

I suppose that makes sense, honestly. That's the way the United States works as well, I just hope that something can be worked out that is good for both the Kurds and the Turks.

[jankren]

It is not an option to talk with "Terrorists" for Turkey.

Hmm, sounds very familiar. I wonder where I heard that before. Oh yeah, Israel ....

In my opinion any country with this kind of behavior is disgusting and should be destroyed because Im an advocate of diplomacy rather than military force.

Nobody would fight and risk his life for nothing. There is always another side of the story.

[white-wolf]

Hmm, sounds very familiar. I wonder where I heard that before. Oh yeah, Israel ....

In my opinion any country with this kind of behavior is disgusting and should be destroyed because Im an advocate of diplomacy rather than military force.

Nobody would fight and risk his life for nothing. There is always another side of the story.

To talk with the terrorists is not a solution.

When you start that way, every scum will try that way.

I wonder that can you talk with the killer of your two years old daughter to give away sitting room?

If you want to destroy my country, come and try.

[jankren]

To talk with the terrorists is not a solution.

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. And by the way talking is always the best solution.

When you start that way, every scum will try that way.

Do you think Israel should do the same to the Palestinian scum?.

I wonder that can you talk with the killer of your two years old daughter to give away sitting room?

I would be angry but I dont know maybe the killer also lost his entire family in the past.

If you want to destroy my country, come and try.

Ck ck ck, such an arrogance.

[white-wolf]

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. And by the way talking is always the best solution.

Because of that there will be always terrorism.

Do you think Israel should do the same to the Palestinian scum?.

I support Israel's existence. And I support Palestinians' demand for their own state. I am against terrorism in any format. Is it clear?

Also, the arabs do not have to whine against any occupation and colonism after their betrayal of the Caliph back WW1.

I would be angry but I dont know maybe the killer also lost his entire family in the past.

I am sorry, I am not enlighted as you are. I can not forgive murderer of children and teachers and.....

Ck ck ck, such an arrogance.

Yes we are proud and arrogant. We never be colonised, occupied. Come and teach me.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Militarily speaking it is no competition. The Turkish armed forces are more than respectable. But practically there are more issues at hand - mostly the pressure that will come from the USA and to a lesser extent the EU.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Frankly it is the Kurdish militarists that are well in the wrong. Turkey has been wary but entirely peaceful about the establishment of the autonomous Kurdish area in northern Iraq. It is utter insanity and unthinkingness to expect Turkey not to retaliate when its soldiers are murdered.

[white-wolf]

Frankly it is the Kurdish militarists that are well in the wrong. Turkey has been wary but entirely peaceful about the establishment of the autonomous Kurdish area in northern Iraq. It is utter insanity and unthinkingness to expect Turkey not to retaliate when its soldiers are murdered.

They (N.Iraqi Kurds / Barzani) think USA will protect them. It seems to unlikely to me in current situation.

And they believe when USA leave the region Turkey and Turkish people forget / forgive them (!). How naive.

[Medicus]

Please. In a normal fight, Turkey will crush the Kurds. Except it will be a guerilla campaign.

[white-wolf]

Please. In a normal fight, Turkey will crush the Kurds. Except it will be a guerilla campaign.

I think Turkish army is the most successful and experienced army for guerilla-type war. Turkish army almost wipe-out these terrorists from SE Turkey before USA's Iraq invasion, hence creating safe havens for PKK in N.Iraq.

[Chaigidel]

I do think that the turks will have very little problem with the border tussles with PKK--- but if they occupy n iraq they would face the same problems that the USA faced in greater iraq

[LoZz]

turks will be able to occupy northern iraq but i doubt they will have much success just like the brits and americans the terrorists will still kill them

[jo the greek]

the problem is nt if turkey can invade but if can hold the region.
i personally this war will be a raid like Israel did in Lebanon . as for the turkish
army i think that his main advantages is his number of personell and and the generally the morale and the support of Turkish society .As for his equipment it is
inferior regarding usa armies or Israels . For examples soldiers are being carried by trucks they do not wear any body armor and they luck even simple technology that usa armies has .So i think that turk side will have to face serious casualities in comparison to Israel and usa but Turkish army will have the power to withstand them .Also i think that if turkey invades i have the feeling that usa probably will give some help to the Kurds for eaxample with maps and informations of the turk army and plans.