I like the UN. Does that make me a "bad" American?

[IronBrig4]

Yup, I actually don't hate the United Nations.

Do I think they have problems? Absolutely. I'm not saying that it's a perfect organization. There are a lot of glaring problems with it, especially when it comes to peacekeeping operations. It was also designed when the only self-governing African representatives were Liberia, Egypt, and South Africa. Now there are dozens of unstable African nations, and each of them has a vote. Do I think they're corrupt? Yes, there's a lot of corruption there, and it must be rectified. I think the whole "Oil for Food" scandal was overplayed by the American media. Of course we all know that the US government never has episodes of corruption.

However, I do believe in the UN's purpose. I even tried to work for them (in the security field), but all their positions require lots of previous experience. I'd much rather work for them than for, say, the US government. This isn't an insult, you understand. Individual governments do what they were meant to do, but I just happen to think that the UN has a somewhat higher calling.

Fox Noise will spend hours bashing the UN (the way they shriek and holler about it, you'd think black helicopters were landing in our backyards), but I think a lot of it comes from the fact that the UN is actually very effective in some aspects. They've got land mine clearance programs in dozens of countries, which are quite successful. There are also many more UN-run programs that meet with varying degrees of success. All in all, it's a pretty damn good organization that just needs to be retooled.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Nope not at all i used to but now I just laugh at it. The main reson I wouldn't get rid of it If I came to power is because it has no power at all.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Yes

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yes well Rush has alot of lets say "interesting" ideas about what you have to do to be a "good" american.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Yes well Rush has alot of lets say "interesting" ideas about what you have to do to be a "good" american.

As do you. Surrendering our sovereignty to the UN just isnt one of mine.

[MaximiIian]

As do you. Surrendering our sovereignty to the UN just isnt one of mine.

For one thing, it wouldn't be surrendering our sovereignty to simply agree to follow some guidelines, which is what the UN really does: set international guidelines to make **** easier for everybody.

Secondly, I don't think it would a bad idea to have a global government. Nations on their own are vain, corrupt, and cause wars. A humanity united with purpose as one Human Nation would foster peace and justice.
Call me an idealist, but I think that a truly International organisation actually would be good thing to have.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Secondly, I don't think it would a bad idea to have a global government.

So you are for the NWO?

[MaximiIian]

So you are for the NWO?

I'm for a unified Humanity, bound together with amity in a confederal form of government, with a socialist and democratic system of society and economic ownership, to foster greater peace, unity, and freedom the world over rather than let the vanity of nations tear our species apart for their self-absorbed and nationalist greed and power-lust. I believe that, while the UN is nowhere near capable of pursuing so noble a goal, it can be the first step towards it, and towards a peaceful and united human race.

If that seems somehow dystopic to you, then your ideology seems to be selfish, cynical, self-absorbed, and flat-out immature in its general nature and form.

[Medicus]

So you are for the NWO?

Only if it's socialist.

I am for a unified humanity however only when there are other places for which mankind can call home.

Colonies on the Moon and Mars, I assume?

[IronBrig4]

I should also add that I HAVE tried to work for the US government as well. I took the State Department's Foreign Service Examination twice. I was rejected both times because they wanted older people with experience. I was just a graduating college senior when I took it for the first time. I'm confident I did well, but the scores weren't as important.

I also tried to get commissioned in the Air Force, but my program was closed until 2008. After that, I just thought "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

[Rush Limbaugh]

I should also add that I HAVE tried to work for the US government as well.

Dont become part of the problem

My Uncle is here at the moment from Greece. He now at 83 works for the government LOL at the embassy there. He used to be one of the heads of Ford of Greece and Turkey. I just found him on google

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He was in the OSS during WW2 and worked behind the lines in Yugoslavia sneaking out US pilots. He speaks 7 dialects of German his daughter speaks 7 languages LOL.

[Scorch]

Please, keep the discussion on topic Kiljan/Rush.

I deleted the offending posts and the following ones. Please, it was a sarcastic comment from Rush. No need to drive the thread off course.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I am for a unified humanity however only when there are other places for which mankind can call home.

[Sidmen]

I don't like it because its a non-democratic bureaucratic sham of a fake government. I personally despize people that have no relation to me whatsoever (say, the chinese/russian/greek diplomats working at the UN). I would prefer to force the UN to be what it realy should be. A central location where diplomats from every country can discuss treatys that affect only the signers.

[IronBrig4]

If you look at the whole of human history, more complex societies require power on a larger scale.

Paleolithic Era - Extensive growth, with humans expanding into every inhabitable continent. Population is low-density. Largest social unit is the family. One patriarch or matriarch wields power over the family.

Early Agrarian Era - Humans start to become sedentary and begin to grow intensively. Largest social unit is the village. A small group of "Big Men" is installed by the villagers in times of emergency to organize defense, irrigation, religion, and administration.

Later Agrarian Era - As population continues to grow intensively, power is wielded on a greater scale. The state becomes the largest social unit.

Modern Era - The human population skyrockets as the Industrial Revolution allows people to escape the "Old Biological Regime." Coal enables people to further intensify existing land, leading to more production and more people. The multi-national empire becomes the largest social unit.

Now we might be in the Post-Modern Era. The human population, though showing signs of slowing, still continues to increase at a rate never seen before. With such an increase in population, the scale of power must also increase. Maybe this is where the UN comes in?

[Joker85]

The problem with the UN is it thinks it is a real government. If it would accept its role as a glorified charity and place for worthless countries to pretend they are important they would be a lot more effective, and save so much wasted time/money. Not to mention actually be respected.

At the moment it is a collection of the worst nations/dictators in the world, who by the very nature of the UN are given a legitimacy to spout their nonsense day in and day out. Every third world tin pot dictator has a platform. That's fine, I guess. But don't then pretend the UN is some respected supranational government that should be listened to.

So basically to sum it up. It is massively corrupt, hypocritical, impotent (but likes to pretend it is the opposite) and basically a platform for unimportant people to feign selective outrage on certain countries while the real problems are ignored (or in some cases actually made worse by member states).

[Sidmen]

Not at all, the UN was never designed to be a real government. If a real government was to come along it would have to be one that could actually inspire its people, not make them shake thier heads at it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I was under the impression that one of the many lauded American virtues is freedom of speech? You can like or hate the UN as much as you please and be a perfectly satisfactory American, I'm sure.

[Justice and Mercy]

It doesn't make you a bad American.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with globalization. If it's libertarian in nature.

[LSJ]

If liking an international forum designed for the purposes of peace and dialogue makes you a bad American, then I am very confused.