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    Taken from the lovely folks at Capitalism.org the first two are taken from http://capitalism.org the others are taken from http://capitalism.org/faq/competition.htm

    1. What is capitalism? Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. The term capitalism is used here in the broader philosophical political sense, and not in the narrower economic sense, i.e. a free-market.

    2. What is a capitalist?
    An advocate of laissez-faire is known as a capitalist, i.e., novelist Ayn Rand is a capitalist; i.e., though economically Engels came from a wealthy background, politically he is recognized as a socialist/communist because of his ideas.
    Free-competition means freedom from physical force to produce for ones own profit.
    3. What is free-competition?

    Free competition is the freedom to produce, and the freedom to trade what one has produced, for ones own self-interest, i.e., in the pursuit of ones own happiness.
    4. What is the foundation of free-competition?

    Politically, free-competition is a consequence of the political right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness applied to the economic sphere of production and trade.

    Morally, competition among producers is founded not on service to consumers -- which is a result; but, upon the pursuit of rational self-interest, i.e. the profit motive. Economically, its result is a free-market, i.e. free trade.

    Observe that free-market competition presupposes a social system based on individual rights -- and cannot exist without the protection of rights by government, e.g. what good is the right to produce (right to liberty) if one does not have the right to keep what one has created (right to property), the right to advertise what one has produced (right to free speech), the right to trade ones goods one ones own terms (right to property) and the right to benefit from what one has produced (right to the pursuit of happiness)?

    Free-competition without individual rights is a contradiction in terms, it is an oxymoron. Of course, if one is a communist, fascist or socialist (all are different forms of a single evil principle: collectivism) and does not believe in individual rights then competition has an entirely different meaning.

    5. What is the difference between competition under capitalism and competition under all other kinds of societies (collectivist societies)?

    All social systems have competition, the only difference is that in capitalism, all such competition for economic power results in the creation of wealth, whereas in collectivist societies such competition for political power results in the destruction of wealth.

    Under capitalism, competition is an economic process where men do not compete to put down others, but to raise their self up by creating values which are potentially unlimited, and raising their competitors up in the process.

    Under all collectivist systems competition is a political process where men compete not to create values, but to lobby or kill for positions of political power which they can use to legally extort the wealth of their fellow men.
    6. What is the key to the success of Capitalist competition?

    The key to the success of capitalist competition is that it limits competition to the economic sphere of production, and removes it completely from the political arena of compulsion. Where capitalist competition leads to a free market; political competition leads to a mixed economy of warring pressure groups and if continued for long -- a dictatorship.

    7. Are not competition and cooperation opposites?

    Contrary to those who prattle about "competition versus cooperation", capitalism is the only system where voluntary cooperation can actually exist, as it banishes force from all relationships, making all exchanges voluntary. Contrast this with the "cooperation" of collectivist societies, where one man must "cooperate" with another, lest he desires to be fined, thrown in prison, or have a lead bullet pumped into his skull.

    Capitalist competition is the one of the most economically practical forms of social cooperation, where every producer competes to see who can best cooperate with each other, and with the consumer. Such is the nature of capitalist competition.
    8. Do individuals lose their rights once they become businessman?

    Ones rights do not disappear when one becomes a successful businessmen. Ones rights are still inalienable. One does not gain rights by being successful, one does not lose them by becoming rich. Before the law all men are to be held equal in rights.

    9. How does one determine if a given action is anti-competitive or not?

    As competition is simply the application of the principle of individual rights to the economic sphere of production and trade, its is the principle of rights that determines if any action is anti-competitive or not. If no rights rights are being violated, then neither is the principle of competition. Free-competition only has a single requirement: the protection of individual rights.

    10. Do consumers have extra "consumer rights" in additional to individual rights?

    No. One does not gain or lose rights by becoming the member of a group. One does not lose one's rights when one becomes a producer; one does not gain rights by becoming a consumer. The only right the consumer has is the freedom to refuse or accept what producers offer them. The consumer has no right to force the producer to sell something, no more then the producer has the right to force the consumer to buy something. Only when the two mutually agree does an exchange take place. Neither party has to make a deal if they do not like their terms, they are free to go elsewhere.

    As the consumer sets the terms on how his money is spent (i.e., on how his property is sold), as does the producer set terms on how his property is bought/sold. The producer's job is not to serve the consumer's interests, no more then it is the consumer's job to serve the producer's interests, both must serve their own interests. It is only when their interests coincide that a trade -- a voluntary exchange of a value for value -- takes place.

    11. Doesn't competition mean an "equal playing field"?

    Competition does not mean "equal ability" (just like the right to life does not mean you will live as long or as prosperously as your neighbor). When any company uses its property in a way that does not benefit its competitors, it is not being anti-competitive. Competition does not mean that you do things to promote your competitors, but that you do things to improve your own position -- if necessary at your rival's market share; but never by violating your rival's, or anyone else's, rights. Equality under free- competition only means an "equal protection of rights".
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    I didn't even bother to read the thread or title, but will be glad to offer you my opinion on Capitalism.

    It's shite.

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    I'm a regulatory Cpaitalist plus I feel capitalism is the only way that a free press can exist.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    I'm a regulatory Cpaitalist plus I feel capitalism is the only way that a free press can exist.
    Regulatory capitalist? :hmmm:
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    Free press
    take a look at Italy where most of the free press is controlled by one businessman


    In all that brabling of the OP
    I can't read what that capitalism will do against Monopolies or Kartells


    Capitalism is the best system as long as it is keet in a state where it can't destroy itself.


    I also miss the part about what happens to companies that destroys inviornment, or sell harmfull products... someone has to clean up that mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    someone has to clean up that mess
    The OP version of capitalism in our physical reality allows few people to inflict mass destruction or mass injustice on many by economic means, without the latter being able to fight back. When that happens you see people calling to end it, because they feel compassion. Compassion is uncompetitive cooperation.



    Collectivism and socialism is central to human nature. Otherwise your children will have a ten hour workday at the factory. We've been there.



    No wait it was the other way round
    Das Kapital is a "critique of political economy", no instruction to communism. You can learn from it without having to follow Lenin's example.

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    Capitalism is the best system? Oh, man. Have any of you ever read the "Communist Manifesto" ? Or how about "Das Kapital"?

    Here's Das Kapital

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

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    And all the East European Countries proofed that it works so the Citizens of the West European Countries started peacfull revolts against thier governments, abandond capitalism and joined the International Communism....

    No wait it was the other way round

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    No wait, people changed and corrupted Marx's theory, and that is the form of communism that Eastern Europe used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaptownKnight View Post
    No wait, people changed and corrupted Marx's theory, and that is the form of communism that Eastern Europe used.
    People changed and corrupted it because it's simply impossible to create here in the real world. Communism have never worked, and never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaptownKnight View Post
    No wait, people changed and corrupted Marx's theory, and that is the form of communism that Eastern Europe used.
    They didn't changed it or "corrupted" it,
    they just tried to make it real but they failed
    because the leaders used it to thier own advantage
    and that will always happen
    humans don't work for the common good
    they work to gain profit and to get a better live and wealth
    so human nature prevents that communism works in reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    They didn't changed it or "corrupted" it,
    they just tried to make it real but they failed
    because the leaders used it to thier own advantage
    Yeah, that's kinda the very definition of corruption.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NaptownKnight View Post
    No wait, people changed and corrupted Marx's theory, and that is the form of communism that Eastern Europe used.
    But you fail to see it was Marx's theory which allowed them to change it. All Stalinism is, is the eventual evolution of Stalin.

    Let me ask you something, if a man works hard and succeds and does'nt want Communism you will, like a marauding barbarian, overrun his property and seize it and call it good?

    That's my problem with Communism, I view Socialism as about the same, just a step on the way to the Dictatorship that Communism is.
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    Well, i prefer somekind of capitalism. Free trade is a good thing. Communism never worked and propably never will. You dont need to do much researching to see which one is more succesful.


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    Death to the bourgeoisie
    Hammer & Sickle - Karacharovo

    And I drank it strait down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    Death to the bourgeoisie


    Then again putting anyone to death is wrong, but there are some bourgeoisie that deserve it.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    But you fail to see it was Marx's theory which allowed them to change it. All Stalinism is, is the eventual evolution of Stalin.

    Let me ask you something, if a man works hard and succeds and does'nt want Communism you will, like a marauding barbarian, overrun his property and seize it and call it good?

    That's my problem with Communism, I view Socialism as about the same, just a step on the way to the Dictatorship that Communism is.
    Okay, but if there are people who are homeless, or are very poor, I think it is the duty of their fellow citizens to share property, food, and water with them.

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    I said it allows for a free press unfortonatly without regulation we get italy.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Yes. Its what many European countries function on.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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    Care to explain what it means.....
    It has been surmised, that perhaps, my lord had become like a wild animal that had been kept too long. Perhaps, but whatever... freedom... so long an unremembered dream, was his.
    The children of Doom...Doom's children. They told my lord the way to the mountain of power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the earth...HA!! time enough for the earth in the grave.

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    It allows for the goverment to intervene in the economy when there is stagnation or a unhealthy monopoly.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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